IMO it's plenty to convict him of a crime that's likely to be murder. Here we have a dead body of a person he was living with found in a very remote location but you don't need a body for a murder conviction. A reasonable person would say, with the facts (her death, his flight and actions before that) already known that he is likely responsible for her missing and death within reasonable degree of certainty unless there is extraordinary evidence to the contrary.

 

And yet, I also believe that no matter how reformed you are (or claim to be) some crimes deserve a sentence behind bars for life. No parole, and no special considerations.

I believe that some people can never be reformed. People that are danger to society need to be locked up. But there should be no of very little cost to regular citizens. I mean recoup as much as possible. Criminals are supposed to reimburse society for the cost of locking them up and running prison system. If they cannot afford to pay for imprisonment, reduce cost where ever possible, including light, heating, quality and size of food rations reduced to a minimum just to keep them alive. Don't like it, don't commit crime.

and i would like to see those prison riots when most of the inmates are malnourished and suffering from hypothermia.

 

IMO it's plenty to convict him of a crime that's likely to be murder. Here we have a dead body of a person he was living with found in a very remote location but you don't need a body for a murder conviction. A reasonable person would say, with the facts (her death, his flight and actions before that) already known that he is likely responsible for her missing and death within reasonable degree of certainty unless there is extraordinary evidence to the contrary.

Well it’s said, the FBI also did not know of or failure on their part (not sure) that he was beating her before when the 911 dispatch didn’t include that fact for the police.

Otherwise he wouldn’t have been viewed as victim at first.

kv

Edit: Conclusion, do not try to cherry pick this post as to me judging him or statement provided by the media, don’t shoot the messenger. Please.

 

I believe that some people can never be reformed. People that are danger to society need to be locked up. But there should be no of very little cost to regular citizens. I mean recoup as much as possible. Criminals are supposed to reimburse society for the cost of locking them up and running prison system. If they cannot afford to pay for imprisonment, reduce cost where ever possible, including light, heating, quality and size of food rations reduced to a minimum just to keep them alive. Don't like it, don't commit crime.

and i would like to see those prison riots when most of the inmates are malnourished and suffering from hypothermia.

I agree in most things with you ... as long as the punishment fits the crime. There's a difference between social justice and social revenge...

 

How would you on the jury want this act to be judged, or as a citizen of society how do you view the death penalty etc the Thread starter?

Me? If the evidence supports conviction and the prosecutor makes a good case I will convict and if in a state which supports the death penalty I would also vote that way. While I wasn't there I have no idea of when or even if he did murder her but if yes I have no reservations with meting out guilty and followed by execution and swiftly as possible.

Ron

 

Two reasons why I don't like the death penalty:

1. There's always the risk of making a mistake during the judicial process, and the consequences are always irreversible.
2. "Humanely" killing someone offers a quick way out for the perpetrator... a long, hard sentence would be a better fit ... there are punishments that could be applied that are worse than death, in my opinion.

 

There's a difference between social justice and social revenge...

no there isn't...

but there is difference between justice and social justice.. revenge could be justice.
i am all for merits, peace and prosperity but have 0 (absolute zero) tolerance for abuses.
may sound draconian but justice delayed is justice denied. those that are good to society (providers, care takers, etc) deserve benefits. the others do not. those that do not provide benefits to others, deserve tolerance. those that are harm to society deserve punishment and they need to be responsible for the cost of administering such punishment themselves (prison for example).
i am not for forced labor (even for criminals), give them the choice to work and support themselves while in prison. i am sick of carrier criminals that even in prison have the comfort. cut the TV, internet, access to fitness rooms. you want it, pay for it... you want to eat, pay for it ... and all you earn is subject to taxation. why would society allow carrier criminals and murderers be treated better than those that are good to society? cut the privileges...

 

To repeat .. "Youse guys keep this up and this thread is gonna get closed! So knock off the crap!"

Youse would like that, huh? don't attack me and I'll not respond to you. After all, youse started by calling me Woke.

 

Two reasons why I don't like the death penalty:

1. There's always the risk of making a mistake during the judicial process, and the consequences are always irreversible.
2. "Humanely" killing someone offers a quick way out for the perpetrator... a long, hard sentence would be a better fit ... there are punishments that could be applied that are worse than death, in my opinion.

Re: #2, I agree but I don't feel strongly enough to pay for it.

https://www.vera.org/publications/p...ns-2015-state-spending-trends-prison-spending

the total [annual] cost per inmate averaged $33,274 and ranged from a low of $14,780 in Alabama to a high of $69,355 in New York. Eight states—Alaska, California, Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, and Vermont—had a cost per inmate above $50,000

$33,274 ÷ 365 = $91.16.


Nice place, I've stayed there, and but I wouldn't spend my own money to stay there every night for consecutive decades, so why would I pay it for someone else? Especially someone the world would be better off without.

 

Re: #2, I agree but I don't feel strongly enough to pay for it.

https://www.vera.org/publications/p...ns-2015-state-spending-trends-prison-spending



$33,274 ÷ 365 = $91.16.

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Nice place, I've stayed there, and but I wouldn't spend my own money to stay there every night for consecutive decades, so why would I pay it for someone else? Especially someone the world would be better off without.

Isn't the death penalty process more expensive than that?

 

Isn't the death penalty process more expensive than that?

I have no idea. Should cost about $0.69 give-or-take, depending on caliber, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if you're right. It's the government after all. Whatever the cost, I guess we could consider it an investment? How long does it take to pay for itself? If < 20 years, go for it.

 

I have no idea. Should cost about $0.69 give-or-take, depending on caliber, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if you're right. It's the government after all. Whatever the cost, I guess we could consider it an investment? How long does it take to pay for itself? If < 20 years, go for it.

Each death penalty case in Texas costs taxpayers about $2.3 million. That is about three times the cost of imprisoning someone in a single cell at the highest security level for 40 years.

 

Each death penalty case in Texas costs taxpayers about $2.3 million. That is about three times the cost of imprisoning someone in a single cell at the highest security level for 40 years.

Like divorce, it's expensive because it's wortth it.

 

Like divorce, it's expensive because it's wortth it.

I thought that the best things in life were free ...

 

Each death penalty case in Texas costs taxpayers about $2.3 million. That is about three times the cost of imprisoning someone in a single cell at the highest security level for 40 years.

 

And that excerpt was from 1992. That is beyond ridiculous. Why is there any difference in cost at all? The trial shouldn't be any different. Are we paying people to do a better job? Be more thorough? If we are, that's scary. But seriously? Where does all the extra cost come from?

Never mind I've got my next research topic.

 

Never mind I've got my next research topic.

Here's a good place to start...

 

I thought that the best things in life were free ...

Or at least low cost

I will think about abolishing the judicial death penalty when the war death penalty is officially abolished.

 

I will think about abolishing the judicial death penalty when the war death penalty is officially abolished.

Hey ... maybe it will, according to this guy, wars are going to be a very different sort of thing in the future.

 

Each death penalty case in Texas costs taxpayers about $2.3 million. That is about three times the cost of imprisoning someone in a single cell at the highest security level for 40 years.

Is this one of those trick questions like how much to purchase a Hammer? Is this at Gov expense?

kv

Edit: For those who aren’t aware Gabby was identified today. Or at least release of that info.