Here's a good place to start...

Wait, the guy confessed to Killing 3 people? Um, 3 life sentences, I sped red but, Um thats cost for his appeals and such, you plead on that I think it should be, change in policy, Convict: Um we ran out of money to house you can’t turn you to the street and for the protection of society. We will have to put you permanently asleep.

kv

 

Edit: For those who aren’t aware Gabby was identified today. Or at least release of that info.

Gabby Petito's Death Was a Homicide, Coroner Says

 

There is a alternative paradigm. Those that think science and faith are both full of crap on the principles of good and evil. Science is really clueless in this domain and faith is a little more honest in saying, it's just faith.

None of them workes in this world anymore IMO. I've tried both new prayer and new romantic poem and feedback was nothing but hatred,sometimes visible and somtimes invisible.
the only thing remained is a damnation word for evilness (in religion) or instability (in science) and let the cause and effect system judge itself.

 

Prisons are a business. "Justice system" is a business. Prosecutors aim to convict. Lawyers are paid to get clients off. Just take a look at who is in prisons...

The bail system. Large part of why prisons are overcrowded is because people arrested cannot make bail.

I am not going to comment on death penalty. Can you ever be sure an innocent person is not being sent to death? What does death penalty accomplish exactly?

https://www.ncadp.org/pages/wrongful-executions

 

Some people can't handle freedom.
https://www.wkrg.com/top-stories/al...-fingers-meth-days-after-getting-out-of-jail/
Alabama man found asleep in pile of chicken fingers, meth days after getting out of jail

 

At least he was found asleep ... and not dead...

 

At least he was found asleep ... and not dead...

I know, Chicken Fingers. Once again are Chickens a danger to society, Meth had nothing to do with anything, I think its just a gateway to Chicken Fingers

All right, All right, not funny. But Cows are. lol

Moooooooving along, nothing to see.


kv

 

The Taliban understands punishment. I predict a reduction in crimes that they don't approve of.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/ta...n-to-past-tactics/B5B7YG7RHE4AJN5ZMCUIMVZBJ4/

The Taliban hanged a dead body from a crane parked in a city square in Afghanistan on Saturday in a gruesome display that signalled the hard-line movement's return to some of its brutal tactics of the past.

Taliban officials initially brought four bodies to the central square in the western city of Herat, then moved three of them to other parts of the city for public display, said Wazir Ahmad Seddiqi, who runs a pharmacy on the edge of the square.

Taliban officials announced that the four were caught taking part in a kidnapping earlier on Saturday and were killed by police, Seddiqi said.

 

The Taliban understands punishment. I predict a reduction in crimes that they don't approve of.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/ta...n-to-past-tactics/B5B7YG7RHE4AJN5ZMCUIMVZBJ4/

More like possible reduction in crimes by those they do not approve off?

There is a pretty good movie "Article 15". It is about India. Rural India more specifically. It overlaps a lot in culture with areas such as Pakistan where Taliban originated. It is worth a look. Once you divide people in groups and classes, somehow anything goes. This goes back to question if there is universal "morality"...

I think there is a universal right and wrong and we know it. This universal concept can be overridden by social constructs given enough pressure/influence

 

More like possible reduction in crimes by those they do not approve off?

There is a pretty good movie "Article 15". It is about India. Rural India more specifically. It overlaps a lot in culture with areas such as Pakistan where Taliban originated. It is worth a look. Once you divide people in groups and classes, somehow anything goes. This goes back to question if there is universal "morality"...

I think there is a universal right and wrong and we know it. This universal concept can be overridden by social constructs given enough pressure/influence

Only Taliban officials can authorize kidnapping, murder and what you can do for fun.
https://english.alarabiya.net/News/...ighters-against-fun-activities-taking-selfies
‘Damages our status’: Taliban warns fighters against fun activities, taking selfies

 

I think there is a universal right and wrong and we know it. This universal concept can be overridden by social constructs given enough pressure/influence

I think anything that harms or inhibits another person is wrong, and anything else is not wrong. But not necessarily right. Like exterminating a herd of Buffalo. But exterminating a cupboard full of cockroaches? The double standards and inconsistencies are born immediately after you expound from the base tenet, whatever that tenet is. Social constructs, I think are a necessary evil.

 

Social constructs, I think are a necessary evil.

Each collective society has its mores and taboos. They are what allow us to live together in harmony. But my society may not agree with your society. I'll not get into the part that religion plays in this since, like politics, it is verboten. In a "civilized" society those mores and taboos have been codified into law. Which in turn leads to punishment and incarceration to remove "evil" doers from polite society. And in most instances, those have very little deterrent value. But incarceration sure does keep polite society somewhat free from real bad asses.

 

The Taliban understands punishment.

From the quoted news report- "The Taliban hanged a dead body from a crane parked in a city square in Afghanistan on Saturday in a gruesome display that signalled the hard-line movement's return to some of its brutal tactics of the past."

They seem to have gone back to what the English did under the "murder act of 1751", called "Gibbeting".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibbeting

 

Some countries still take punishment seriously.
Caning is a widely used form of corporal punishment in Singapore. It can be divided into several contexts: judicial, prison, reformatory, military, school, and domestic. These practices of caning as punishment were introduced during the period of British colonial rule in Singapore[1] Similar forms of corporal punishment are also used in some other former British colonies, including two of Singapore's neighbouring countries, Malaysia and Brunei.
I will say I always felt comfortable walking the park across from the Singapore Hilton at 2:00 AM. Low crime rate and the punishment, for example of drug trafficking, is death. Trial on Monday, appeals denied on Tuesday and you are executed by Friday. They mete out justice quick. They also have a very, very low crime rate. I always liked that place. As I mentioned, the problem with the US is a judicial system more enmeshed with the rights of the criminal than the victim and the judicial system is no more than a feeding trough for attorneys and judges.

Ron

 

Some countries still take punishment seriously.
Caning is a widely used form of corporal punishment in Singapore. It can be divided into several contexts: judicial, prison, reformatory, military, school, and domestic. These practices of caning as punishment were introduced during the period of British colonial rule in Singapore[1] Similar forms of corporal punishment are also used in some other former British colonies, including two of Singapore's neighbouring countries, Malaysia and Brunei.
I will say I always felt comfortable walking the park across from the Singapore Hilton at 2:00 AM. Low crime rate and the punishment, for example of drug trafficking, is death. Trial on Monday, appeals denied on Tuesday and you are executed by Friday. They mete out justice quick. They also have a very, very low crime rate. I always liked that place. As I mentioned, the problem with the US is a judicial system more enmeshed with the rights of the criminal than the victim and the judicial system is no more than a feeding trough for attorneys and judges.

Ron

I stayed in Singapore for 5 months and I must agree, it's a great place. Very clean, orderly, civil. No ruffians, I never saw any crime.

 

A Sandvik field service engineer buddy of mine used to complain about Singapore. He loved going there but the expensive precision equipment they shipped there that he was traveling to supervise installation and checkout for was shipped to arrive before he did. When he got there, it invariably had all been decrated and was sitting loose in pieces on the dock exposed to the sea air and weather for weeks before he arrived. Seems the wooden crates were considered free housing building materials there. Plus, the crating was necessary to act as cradles for the equipment during installation and handling.

 

A Sandvik field service engineer buddy of mine used to complain about Singapore. He loved going there but the expensive precision equipment they shipped there that he was traveling to supervise installation and checkout for was shipped to arrive before he did. When he got there, it invariably had all been decrated and was sitting loose in pieces on the dock exposed to the sea air and weather for weeks before he arrived. Seems the wooden crates were considered free housing building materials there. Plus, the crating was necessary to act as cradles for the equipment during installation and handling.

How long ago was that? The Singapore that I knew, was a very modern place. No shanty towns, no slums, no place built out of pilfered shipping crates. Maybe in the distant past? I don't know about the history of the place. I also lived in the Philippines for a while, and that story seems a good fit for that place.

 

I don't know about the history of the place.

Look it up, you're going to be quite surprised at its transformation ... yes, there is such thing as a "good autocracy" ... albeit very rare

 

How long ago was that?

Probably at least 30 years ago.

 

Look it up, you're going to be quite surprised at its transformation ... yes, there is such thing as a "good autocracy" ... albeit very rare

Thanks for the prompt; I just looked it up, and some of what I read was familiar; I think I knew about this before but forgot. It is wild how drastically it changed in such a short time.

The autocracy part seemed off though, so I looked that up too, and according to the Wikipedia page I skimmed, their government seems like a constitutional republic. Are you referring to previous governments or insinuating that there is a difference between the "official" system of government and the actual one? Or am I totally missing your point?