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cmartinez

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Is there a significant population of Caucasians in Mexico (not counting the ex-pats)?
More than half of the population is of mixed European descent. So there's plenty of us that could qualify as "white". But we don't make as much emphasis in race as it's done in the US, since more than 95% of us is of mixed race anyway. It's not uncommon to find brown skinned and blonde children belonging to the same family. At least not in the northern part of the country.

As you go south, population of native descent becomes more common.
 
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spinnaker

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More than half of the population is of mixed European descent. So there's plenty of us that could quality as "white". But we don't make as much emphasis in race as it's done in the US, since more than 95% of us is of mixed race anyway. It's not uncommon to find brown skinned and blonde children belonging to the same family. At least not in the northern part of the country.

As you go south, population of native descent becomes more common.

Yes I am aware that Mexico was settled by Spain. Most people in Spain would consider themselves white. I could never understand why simply because your ancestors moved to Mexico, their race suddenly changes to Hispanic. I do understand that races intermix but then why isn't their race mixed race just like here?
 

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cmartinez

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their race suddenly changes to Hispanic
That is because "Hispanic" is not a race. Although the media loves to use that word as if it were such, the reality is that Hispanic is more related to a culture. But then again, people from Mexico are entirely different from people from Argentina or Central America... no offense meant, it's just the way it is... I admire the Argentinian culture, for instance, but it is very different from my culture... personally, I don't like the word "Hispanic" because it bundles together too many concepts that are unrelated, except by language...

It's like using the word "Englishman" to describe people from Australia, South Africa, Scotland and the U.S. in the same group!

@atferrari , you may find this conversation interesting.
 

JoeJester

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When did the classification change from chicano to hispanic? I'll tell you, the Great Compromise's requirement to count people by whites and non-whites has run it's course. When you discriminate on the basic level, it's never for any good. The great compromise counted people for the purpose of the number of representatives the state had in the House of Representatives. The great southern state of Connecticut proposed the discrimination in the count so that non-whites were 3/5ths of a person. Who benefited from such a discrimination? I contend the Northern states wanted to ensure they had the majority say in the House.
 

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cmartinez

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When did the classification change from chicano to hispanic? I'll tell you, the Great Compromise's requirement to count people by whites and non-whites has run it's course. When you discriminate on the basic level, it's never for any good. The great compromise counted people for the purpose of the number of representatives the state had in the House of Representatives. The great southern state of Connecticut proposed the discrimination in the count so that non-whites were 3/5ths of a person. Who benefited from such a discrimination? I contend the Northern states wanted to ensure they had the majority say in the House.
It's all about politics... believe me, if all of earth's inhabitants were white and blonde... folks would start making a distinction between blue and green eyed people...

 

JoeJester

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It's all about politics... believe me, if all of earth's inhabitants were white and blonde... folks would start making a distinction between blue and green eyed people...
That test was done .... on children in a school classroom to demonstrate the effects of such a classification. It was between blue eyes and brown eyes. The childs self wasn't as uplifting when they played the part of the lesser and both groups experienced it when they were the lesser. I'm sure that one demonstration created a significant emotional event in those children and shaped their attitudes towards discrimination.
 

spinnaker

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It's all about politics... believe me, if all of earth's inhabitants were white and blonde... folks would start making a distinction between blue and green eyed people...

That deserves a double like! And I would say that people would still hate one another just because they weren't blue eyed people. Just like in the Star Trek episode.
 

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cmartinez

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... I'm sure that one demonstration created a significant emotional event in those children and shaped their attitudes towards discrimination.
:eek: ... I'm sure it did... I've got hazel eyes, green on the outside and brown on the inside... (with a melted chocolate-vanilla heart in the middle :p).... where would that put me? :confused:

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Yeah... that's a picture of my eye...
 

spinnaker

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That deserves a double like! And I would say that people would still hate one another just because they weren't blue eyed people. Just like in the Star Trek episode.

And I do have it on very good authority that blue eyed people are vastly smarter than everyone else. And better much looking too. :p
 

#12

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people from Mexico are entirely different from people from Argentina or Central America
I had a lot of fun discovering a person from Argentina after learning about Mexicans.:)
That guy was so critical of the butchered Spanish I had learned.:D
It's like using the word "Englishman" to describe people from Australia, South Africa, Scotland and the U.S. in the same group!
As a Danish American, I consider the group you mentioned to be a perfectly reasonable grouping. They all speak English as derived from their historical origin and the differences are merely cultural. What's that you say? Cultural differences are what makes the world go around? Maybe so, but that group you mentioned makes sense to me.;)
 

MaxHeadRoom

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It's like using the word "Englishman" to describe people from Australia, South Africa, Scotland and the U.S. in the same group!
Actually 'Englishman' would not really be correct, more accurately, British (origin).
I happened to be born and grow up on the tail end of the largest Empire ever, that covered 412 million square miles and 24% of the world's peoples.
So this inevitably had some indelible effect on most of my growing up, I know there are very mixed opinions on the subject of colonization, many happen to be misguided, IMO, I have my own thought on the subject.;)
Max.
 

wayneh

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I think that one is particularly nice. It has really good composition elements and enough size information to be meaningful (e.g., takes a minute for your eye to understand those are people) - sheesh and all from an Iphone!
I guess the EXIF info is still in there, or were you guessing about the iPhone? Either way, you're right. I have a pretty nice Canon but I almost never carry it with me unless I know I may want the zoom. The iPhone does such a darn good job and I've always got it with me.

That shot is actually two shots stitched together. I can't get over how good those stitching applications are these days.
 
I guess the EXIF info is still in there, or were you guessing about the iPhone? Either way, you're right. I have a pretty nice Canon but I almost never carry it with me unless I know I may want the zoom. The iPhone does such a darn good job and I've always got it with me.

That shot is actually two shots stitched together. I can't get over how good those stitching applications are these days.
Ahh stiched makes sense. I was wondering because that is such a nice wide angle. In any event, terrific shot.

EDITED to add: BTW check out the 2017 NatGeo winning photographs that just recently came out.
 
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