Back to the salamander... GT you don't live that far from me but, funny how things have different names. A salamander heater in this area is a "pot heater", a pot with a flue that burns the kero/fueloil fumes in the flue. No electric needed.
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Ok, this may sound goofy - howbeit, while residing in Romania (many years ago) I saw devices of that 'form factor' in wide use for the production of an oily 'smog' -- ostensibly to protect fruit trees from frost damage?

Told ya it was goofy -- but there it is!

Best regards
HP

 

ostensibly to protect fruit trees from frost damage?

Standard practice in the orange groves of Florida.

 

Standard practice in the orange groves of Florida.

So it's not merely a Central European thing? -- Thanks! - 'tis nice to know my memory is intact!

Granted, if it works it works! -- Though I must confess to no small wonder at the absence of 'essence of refinery' in the 'bouquet'?

Very best regards
HP

 

no small wonder at the absence of 'essence of refinery' in the 'bouquet'?

False belief. Smudge pots stink!

 

TLDR whole thread so sorry if this has been mentioned.

How many windows are in the room? I would check to see if there is a draft coming in one of them. I would look into getting clear plastic to seal the windows in the interior during the winter. This is supposed to help a lot for older houses, especially if you have single pane windows.

What about getting a few sheets of 1-2" sheet polyueathane insulation and screwing to the ceiling. You can attach sheets to them for color if you need that.

Another idea is if you have a lot of old blankets, place them at the bottom of the window sills, drap them in front of the window (especially at night), of attach them to the ceiling as it can give a little more insulation.

 

False belief. Smudge pots stink!

Indeed! Unaccountably, however, fruit exposed thereto doesn't

 

Here's a thought -- If you wish to 'do' radiant heat 'on the cheap' note that two 'brooder lamps' will provide 1.2kW for less than $20.00 total

Best regards
HP

EDIT -- Seems the 600W bulbs aren't as easily sourced as in years past -- still... I think you get my point...

2 chains of 10x 60W H4 halogen bulbs - but you'll need UV eye protection.

 

sorry if this has been mentioned.

Insulation was covered in post #2, 6, 13, and probably a few more.

a few sheets of 1-2" sheet polyueathane insulation and screwing to the ceiling.

Violation of fire code. It is against the Terms of Service on this site to recommend methods or materials which pose significant health hazards.

 

Indeed! Unaccountably, however, fruit exposed thereto doesn't

Oranges evolved a thick skin and a waxy coating to mitigate the effects of smudge pots.

Um...wait...that was a lie. Still, the thick skins and waxy coating achieve the required function.

 

TLDR whole thread so sorry if this has been mentioned.

How many windows are in the room? I would check to see if there is a draft coming in one of them. I would look into getting clear plastic to seal the windows in the interior during the winter. This is supposed to help a lot for older houses, especially if you have single pane windows.

What about getting a few sheets of 1-2" sheet polyueathane insulation and screwing to the ceiling. You can attach sheets to them for color if you need that.

Another idea is if you have a lot of old blankets, place them at the bottom of the window sills, drap them in front of the window (especially at night), of attach them to the ceiling as it can give a little more insulation.

While the above suggestions will definitely mitigate the situation, please be advised that it is my sad experience that climate control of garret space answers only to 'brute force' --- IOW throw all the energy safely possible at the problem and hope for the best

Again good luck and very best regards
HP

EDIT -- please attend to the monitions in post #88 --- 'Formic compounds' are indeed nasty!!!

 

Oranges evolved a thick skin and a waxy coating to mitigate the effects of smudge pots.

Um...wait...that was a lie. Still, the thick skins and waxy coating achieve the required function.

Yebbut -- In Romania they were using them (i.e. 'pot heaters') to protect (among other 'crops') grapes! --- Nothing like a bottle of diesel, um... uh... Cabernet Sauvignon, with dinner!

Best regards
HP

Disclaimer -- I have no complaint whatever with the (admittedly high) quality of Central European wine! -- It is merely that I don't understand how they manage it

 

Ok, this may sound goofy - howbeit, while residing in Romania (many years ago) I saw devices of that 'form factor' in wide use for the production of an oily 'smog' -- ostensibly to protect fruit trees from frost damage?

Told ya it was goofy -- but there it is!

Best regards
HP

Not goofy at all. The protection comes not so much from the heat (that's a huge area/volume), but from the 'smog' itself. The smoky, particulate-laden effluent creates an IR barrier that reduces radiative heat loss, much the same way that clouds do at night.

 

Not goofy at all. The protection comes not so much from the heat (that huge and area), but from the 'smog' itself. The smoky, particulate-laden effluent creates an IR barrier that reduces radiative heat loss, much the same way that clouds do at night.

The green-house effect in petto, aye?

Best regards
HP

 

2 chains of 10x 60W H4 halogen bulbs - but you'll need UV eye protection.

The 'old' 'brooder lamp' bulbs do nicely too -- It seems the 250W Edison-base bulbs are yet commonly available! --- A word of caution! Safety demands that they be installed only in sockets/fixtures designed for high temp service -- as well as observance of 'safe clearances'!!!

Best regards
HP

 

The 'old' 'brooder lamp' bulbs do nicely too -- It seems the 250W Edison-base bulbs are yet commonly available! --- A word of caution! Safety demands that they be installed only in sockets/fixtures designed for high temp service -- as well as observance of 'safe clearances'!!!

Best regards
HP

You can get IR lamps, usually in reflector style. There's also halogen tubes like the outdoor security lights that have the tube encased in an IR filter. Its probably easier/cheaper to just go for a budget store IR heater - there's fancy ceramic heaters on the market, but I haven't tried those.

A big array of TV degauss posistors would self regulate - if its really cold, they draw more current.

 

Its probably easier/cheaper to just go for a budget store IR heater

Do you mean the devices commonly marketed as 'Quartz Heaters'? I didn't realize they were still available? -- By all means! They are the best choice from a safety and economy standpoint where radiant heating is desired!

Best regards
HP

 

A big array of TV degauss posistors would self regulate - if its really cold, they draw more current.

I'm must confess to no little dubiety as regards their reliability in continuous operation as heating elements!...

Best regards
HP

 

A big array of TV degauss posistors would self regulate -

I also object. There is no reason to suspect a person with no more electronics experience than an average home owner would have a bucket full of posistors and the skills to make them operate safely in free air.

 

Smudge pot.

While they can be used as a 'smudge pot' when I was a boy, they were used around construction sites in the winter. They are adjustable as to how much smoke/smudge they put out. when running 'lean' the top part of the flue gets red hot putting out lots of radiant heat. Brick layers would drape visqueen around the work site and put one or more of them in side and could work in very cold conditions. Saw it done many times growing up.

 

Insulation was covered in post #2, 6, 13, and probably a few more.


Violation of fire code. It is against the Terms of Service on this site to recommend methods or materials which pose significant health hazards.

Well I never said I was an expert in types of insulation.. Now that I think about it, I wasn't picturing polyurethane insulation (pink or blue rigid foam boardish type stuff) but that is what I thought it was called when I replied. Is PolyU made form Formic Acid

I really didn't think that a recommendation of insulation would have been a code violation as it varies from municipality, county, state, country, etc. Mentioning a solution shouldn't be against rules, I didn't have time to run to the local municipality in Carbon County and find out what their building code was - that should be left to the OP to see if it is viable or not.

Well I stand by the suggestion for plastic on windows, blankets on windows (day & night if possible - cuts down on drafts & heat transfer as well) and a thick comforter spread across the ceiling (opposite of rug) if any of those aren't against codes.