The government's version that Oswald was simply "Just a nut with a gun" does not hold up under critical analysis.

If Oswald was purportedly mentally ill (and he wasn't connected/involved with others in a much larger plot), why does the government have nearly 50,000 pages of documents on the case? And why were those documents concealed from public disclosure for over 50 years?

A police investigation of a murder case involving only one perpetrator and one victim will not have a 50,000 page report so why does the Kennedy assassination have so many intricate (and secrete) details?

That whole incident stinks to high heaven and if the truth were really known, a lot more people should be in a federal penitentiary

It's not the governments version, it's the facts of that 50,000 page report (that followed every stupid detail including drunks talking in a bar about JFK and used sources and methods of secret intelligence for some of those pages) that lead us to this conclusion. Every JFK conspiracy theory stinks to high heaven when compared to a small fraction of the undisputed facts like Oswald shot JFK in Dallas, from that building, with that gun .

 

It's not the governments version, it's the facts of that 50,000 page report (that followed every stupid detail including drunks talking in a bar about JFK and used sources and methods of secret intelligence for some of those pages) that lead us to this conclusion. Every JFK conspiracy theory stinks to high heaven when compared to a small fraction of the undisputed facts like Oswald shot JFK in Dallas, from that building, with that gun .

As I said earlier, standing on that X in Dealey plaza, all the conspiracy theories melted away and I realized that the simple explanation was the true one. I think there’s still plenty of room for related monkey business in this story that may one day be revealed, but the essential fact is just what you’ve said.

 

The government's version that Oswald was simply "Just a nut with a gun" does not hold up under critical analysis.

If Oswald was purportedly mentally ill (and he wasn't connected/involved with others in a much larger plot), why does the government have nearly 50,000 pages of documents on the case? And why were those documents concealed from public disclosure for over 50 years?

A police investigation of a murder case involving only one perpetrator and one victim will not have a 50,000 page report so why does the Kennedy assassination have so many intricate (and secrete) details?

That whole incident stinks to high heaven and if the truth were really known, a lot more people should be in a federal penitentiary

No offense, just my strange opinion BTW. Kennedy was not the most liked, he did get us in a war, not on his own I get that, but the General public didn't agree possibly. Push comes to shove he didn't back down with the Soviets and cuban missile issue, I give credit in part to push them back to Europe. Tit for Tat as they say, soviets? cubans? others? insiders?

Cut some bate, otherwise Oswald did it. Now find the conspirators, Lincoln was in a similar situation but had issue with our own people, but Kennedy was not and I don't want to believe it was our own people (High Level) if your suggesting that, I'm very disappointed with a country that would do that (If thats the case) I'm not a Democrat or Republican (but, Very as a very Patriotic person) I'm am an American with pride in our country and it's people to see past offense and see we are a people, smart industrious and creative.

I think of some of the one off kinda guys, it's happened before "Timothy McVeigh" what they are thinking no one really knows, they exist but, I just don't want it to divide this country and will speak out against violence within, but rather to speak of protect from that which comes from without.

Standin shoulder to shoulder in an hour of need is what this country lacks, just stand back to back together and look at where we are now hopefully face the true enemy, fear.

kv

 

It's not the governments version, it's the facts of that 50,000 page report (that followed every stupid detail including drunks talking in a bar about JFK and used sources and methods of secret intelligence for some of those pages) that lead us to this conclusion. Every JFK conspiracy theory stinks to high heaven when compared to a small fraction of the undisputed facts like Oswald shot JFK in Dallas, from that building, with that gun .

If it was as simple as "Oswald shot JFK in Dallas, from that building, with that gun", then how/why would the government generate a 50,000 page report on the incident?

The Big Bang and the formation of the universe can be summarized in document of an order of magnitude less than what's involved in the Kennedy assassination.

 

If it was as simple as "Oswald shot JFK in Dallas, from that building, with that gun", then how/why would the government generate a 50,000 page report on the incident?

The Big Bang and the formation of the universe can be summarized in document of an order of magnitude less than what's involved in the Kennedy assassination.

The government generates encyclopedic reports on the reproduction cycles of tree slugs so it's not a surprise that the death of a President would kill a grove of trees. The basic facts are one paragraph, finding answers to respond to every conspiracy nut takes volumes.

 

No offense, just my strange opinion BTW. Kennedy was not the most liked, he did get us in a war, not on his own I get that, but the General public didn't agree possibly. Push comes to shove he didn't back down with the Soviets and cuban missile issue, I give credit in part to push them back to Europe. Tit for Tat as they say, soviets? cubans? others? insiders?

Cut some bate, otherwise Oswald did it. Now find the conspirators, Lincoln was in a similar situation but had issue with our own people, but Kennedy was not and I don't want to believe it was our own people (High Level) if your suggesting that, I'm very disappointed with a country that would do that (If thats the case) I'm not a Democrat or Republican (but, Very as a very Patriotic person) I'm am an American with pride in our country and it's people to see past offense and see we are a people, smart industrious and creative.

I think of some of the one off kinda guys, it's happened before "Timothy McVeigh" what they are thinking no one really knows, they exist but, I just don't want it to divide this country and will speak out against violence within, but rather to speak of protect from that which comes from without.

Standin shoulder to shoulder in an hour of need is what this country lacks, just stand back together and look at where we are now.

kv

Just as a point of info about Timothy McVeigh and the bombing of the Oklahoma Federal Building, there is an official government report (prepared by a security consultant of the Battell Institute) that claims that McVeigh had thoroughly inspected the Murrah building and knew the exact location of the agents of the Bureau Of Alcohol, Tobacco, And Firearms.

I've often wondered why the government would have located such a volatile agency in a building where the general public (including a child care facility) could wind up being collateral damage in the event of a violent retaliation against the BATF for its involvement in the attack on the Branch Davidion's compound in Waco.

Because of the Oklahoma City bombing, I proposed to San Francisco's congressional representative (Nancy Pelosi) something called the "Provocative Target Isolation Act" which would prohibit the government from locating any law enforcement or military facility (where there is substantially increased risk a violent attack) near any location where the general public would be likely to incur injury or death in the event of such an attack.

Of course, this idea never went anywhere.

 

The government generates encyclopedic reports on the reproduction cycles of tree slugs so it's not surprise that the death of a President would kill a grove of trees. The basic facts are one paragraph, finding answers to respond to every conspiracy nut takes volumes.

Just as a point of info, I've read the Warren Report (what was public in 2009) and my interpretation is that the government's analysis of Oswald's activities have a lot of "cold paths" where his activities could not be traced.

For example, the report stated that the government knew that Oswald made several trips to Cuba, however it was not known what he (and others) did during those trips. Considering the hostilities between the U.S., Cuba, and the U.S.S.R. I can't believe it was just a coincidence that Oswald wound up being the gunman that hit Kennedy.

It's also interesting that Oswald was conveniently killed by Jack Ruby the next day right after the assassination and he didn't live to tell his side of the story.

 

Just as a point of info, I've read the Warren Report (what was public in 2009) and my interpretation is that the government's analysis of Oswald's activities have a lot of "cold paths" where his activities could not be traced.

For example, the report stated that the government knew that Oswald made several trips to Cuba, however it was not known what he (and others) did during those trips. Considering the hostilities between the U.S., Cuba, and the U.S.S.R. I can't believe it was just a coincidence that Oswald wound up being the gunman that hit Kennedy.

It's also interesting that Oswald was conveniently killed by Jack Ruby the next day right after the assassination and he didn't live to tell his side of the story.

Maybe the report needs another 50,000 pages for those loose ends. I don't believe in coincidence either. The JFK story is a classic case of probable cause and effect combined with the chaos of the universe in a sick human brain. The Cold Blooded calculated murder of another is as common as apple pie. The JFK case is only special and conspiracy theory worthy because he was the President.

https://www.google.com/search?q=man...7.16289j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8

 

Maybe the report needs another 50,000 pages for those loose ends. I don't believe in coincidence either. The JFK story is a classic case of probable cause and effect combined with the chaos of the universe in a sick human brain. The Cold Blooded calculated murder of another is as common as apple pie. The JFK case is only special and conspiracy theory worthy because he was the President.

https://www.google.com/search?q=man...7.16289j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8

Some people murder for material profit and I'm wondering what exactly did Oswald expect to gain from killing Kennedy?

Oswald couldn't have done it just for emotional gratification and he tried to conceal his involvement by shooting a cop who became suspicious of his activities on the day of the shooting. He also apparently had plans to escape the U.S. and disappear from the radar.

Would someone in another country be waiting for him with open arms would he receive a lucrative payback from the shooting? Those are the unknowns that are apparently not solvable.

 

It is clear that the reason some of the documents were classified because they include details of a lot of secret activity by the government, much having to do with gathering information in other countries and it is very unlikely that the U.S. government agencies would want it be made known to the public, let alone to other governments. The kinds of activities going on in secret. Some of this contained details of contacts between the CIA and communist defectors and other sensitive information that needed to be kept secret to protect individuals. Remember, this was all happening at the peak of the Cold War.

Not knowing of any information that would contradict this idea, but maybe Oswald was desperately trying to escape, not because he had committed a crime but he was sure that he would play the patsy for the killing. Oswald shooting Officer Tippit (which may not have been proven since there was no trial) would sealed his fate.

 

Some people murder for material profit and I'm wondering what exactly did Oswald expect to gain from killing Kennedy?

What did the guy in Vegas expect to gain from killing and injuring hundred of people. Sick emotional gratification is a common motivator.

A patsy is a fool, not an innocent. The voices in his head tricked him.

 

The History channel has a series that used the Warren report and things they refused to trace down in it that is worth watching, if you are interested in this stuff. Asks a lot of questions that the government didn't. http://www.history.com/shows/jfk-declassified-tracking-oswald

JFK also wasn't Oswald's only target or assassination attempt. https://www.dallasnews.com/arts/art...-targeted-ex-gen.-edwin-a.-walker--and-missed

 

Just as a point of info, I've read the Warren Report (what was public in 2009) and my interpretation is that the government's analysis of Oswald's activities have a lot of "cold paths" where his activities could not be traced.

For example, the report stated that the government knew that Oswald made several trips to Cuba, however it was not known what he (and others) did during those trips. Considering the hostilities between the U.S., Cuba, and the U.S.S.R. I can't believe it was just a coincidence that Oswald wound up being the gunman that hit Kennedy.

It's also interesting that Oswald was conveniently killed by Jack Ruby the next day right after the assassination and he didn't live to tell his side of the story.

The cubans would have benefitted just like Kim Jung-un and his father with those before him not excluding communist Russia, get a big A** bomb threaten everyone with a good economy that you can blow the S**t snot out of and it's people expecting they don't have the stomach for a fight or anything related to up to a total and complete global war.

(Russia, Cuba, Korea, Iran) We want more money for more bombs screw the people, Cuba lost its hand outs and the Soviets lost face. Revenge, he was there trained with the Soviets the connection is lost because Ruby killed the evidence. Either to silence Oswald or because he was just that mad at Oswald for killing his President.

kv

Edit: Personally, if it were known that Cuba or the Soviets were behind it, it would have caused a knee jerk reaction by LBJ to act, we were already in a war we couldn't or didn't want to fight.

 

Has anyone ever watched a murder mystery on TV? How about a murder mystery where about a dozen people all wanted to see the victim dead and everyone is happy the victim is dead. Making it difficult to figure out which of the happy people killed the victim. There was no shortage of people who would be happy to see Kennedy dead and no shortage of people pleased that someone killed him off.

I was a 13 year old kid delivering newspapers when Kennedy was assassinated. I delivered Newsday, Long Islands leading Newspaper. We picked up our papers to deliver and then had to return for the Extra, you know, the Extra, Extra, read all about it! People were huddled with neighbors on the street talking, women were crying with neighbors. Hey at thirteen my interest was with girls and not politics but it seemed all were taken and saddened over the assassination of John F. Kennedy. I admired Kennedy but more as a PT Boat skipper during WWII (PT-109) than as a president. Hell I was 10 years old when he was elected.

Something I will never forget and I remember as clear as it was yesterday was the last house on my paper route when I delivered that Extra Edition newspaper. The front door was open and only the screen door closed. A really nice aroma of like a beef stew wafted out of the house. A man, maybe my parents age at the time came to the door and took the paper, looked at me and said "it's about time someone killed that son of a bi*** and walked back into the house. I guess being young I could not understand how anyone could dislike a US president as much as this guy despised Kennedy. To this day I remember that last house like it was a few hours ago.

Ron

 

Every JFK conspiracy theory stinks to high heaven when compared to a small fraction of the undisputed facts like Oswald shot JFK in Dallas, from that building, with that gun .

Kennedy's head is obviously thrown backward at the moment of impact and the point of entry itself can be clearly seen.

I'm certainly no expert, but even those I've asked who actually do have real ballistics expertise have also supported that conclusion. Why is that? If it's really so bloody obvious that the bullet came from behind, then how could so many people be wrong about that? And with so many eyewitnesses claiming to have heard shots from behind the knoll, why were none of them invited to testify at the Warren Commission hearings?

And even from the very beginning, irregularities and discrepancies in the handling of the case raise disturbing questions:

• The first three officers to discover the rifle on the sixth floor originally identified the weapon as a 7.65 Mauser, and two of them even file official reports to that effect. Later, the gun is re-identified as a Mannlicher-Carcano and eventually all but one of the officers changes his opinion. By their own accounts, all of these men were familiar with both of these weapons (one of them was a gun dealer himself in fact) and yet somehow they were not able to correctly identify that particular weapon that day. What are the chances of that happening?
  
• Just shortly after the assassination the limousine was carefully cleaned and the windshield replaced. Is that a proper way to handle a crime scene?
• Dallas County medical examiner Earl Rose was not allowed to conduct an autopsy, as required by Texas law. He even promises to complete the examination within the hour, but in response agent Roy Kellerman pulls his revolver to force the issue and Rose reluctantly steps aside. Does that seem like a reasonable response to a lawful demand?
• The Bethesda physician in charge of Kennedy's autopsy, Dr. James Humes, goes on record saying that he literally BURNED most of the notes and documents made of that important event. Is that standard operating procedure, or is it just ordinary destruction of evidence?
  
• Kennedy's brain was somehow misplaced, or maybe stolen. No one knows for sure. How does that happen?
• Just days before the assassination, Oswald approached the secretary of Special Agent James Hosty with an "urgent" message. Hosty admits reading the letter...but then BURNED it, on the orders of his supervisor! If the content of that message really was just the ranting threats of a communist, then why in the world wasn't it preserved? Wouldn't that've been a useful piece of evidence against Oswald at trial?

The list goes on and on.

And while we may never know Oswald's true role in the plot, accomplice or patriot, one thing is almost certain: he was a paid agent of both Bureau and "the Company". This has been corroborated by employees of these agencies, an investigation lead by District Attorney of New Orleans Jim Garrison reached that conclusion in its findings, and of course numerous people who knew Oswald personally have claimed as much from day one. And if that assertion is in fact false, then why are so many of the files concerning the mere intelligence status of Oswald either still classified or just somehow deleted from the system? How to explain the fact that only Volume 5 of the Church Committee's records, specifically regarding any intelligence connections that Oswald may have had, now somehow MISSING?

So no, the lone-gunman theory is hardly "indisputable".

 

So no, the lone-gunman theory is hardly "indisputable".

Well, I think Oswald was indeed the "lone gunman", but whatever the rest of the real story is remains up for grabs. I was surprised to learn just recently that Zapruder was a CIA contractor. WTF?

 

Kennedy's head is obviously thrown backward at the moment of impact and the point of entry itself can be clearly seen.

I'm certainly no expert

It's extremely obvious that you know nothing shooting, being shot, entry and exit wounds if you bring up those tired points.

Bullets leave little holes on entry and big holes when they exit. The big hole was in the front as was the trajectory of the brain matter and bone.

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Trust the black dude.

 

Well, I think Oswald was indeed the "lone gunman", but whatever the rest of the real story is remains up for grabs. I was surprised to learn just recently that Zapruder was a CIA contractor. WTF?

How did a clothing manufacturer become a CIA contractor?

Also, his office was on the sixth floor of the building right next door to the book repository. He would have had a better view of jfk from there unless it was his goal to get a shot of the shot instead. Everyone else jumped and their cameras pull away from JFK as the first bullet was shot. But Zapruder’s camera was rock solid on JFK through the second shot.

 

Trust the black dude.

I don’t trust anyone that has more than 50% vowels in his name.