All equally effective.

 

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hanging like that also will sterilize in the hot sun.

kv

 

This just makes no sense at all!

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Edit: Unless all the old folk have already died...

Several reasons:

(1) The rate of nationwide testing has been steadily increasing (currently at 700,000+ per day).

(2) Antibody testing (the most common test being performed, by far) can result in false positives due to the fact that they can be be triggered by similar viruses, such as the flu, MERS, SARS, etc.

(3) Testing positive for Covid results in an "infection" being recorded, regardless of the symptoms (or lack thereof). Thus, you may feel perfectly fine and yet nonetheless become a positive statistic. Current studies show that approximately 80% of all positive cases are asymptomatic.

(4) The reliability of test kits in general is questionable, considering how many have been found to be contaminated with Covid in the past. (Sent out to 400+ facilities!)

 

(4) The reliability of test kits in general is questionable, considering how many have been found to be contaminated with Covid in the past. (Sent out to 400+ facilities!)

That sucks, lets just dose the population right? to see what happens or worse yet someone gets the kits and contaminates them act of terrorism.

kv

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/07/herd-immunity-coronavirus/614035/

Without a better plan, this threshold—the percentage of people who have been infected that would constitute herd immunity—seems to have become central to our fates.


Some mathematicians believe that it’s much lower than initially imagined. At least, it could be, if we choose the right future.

Gabriela Gomes studies chaos. Specifically, patterns in nonlinear dynamics. She was drawn to the field by something called frailty variation—why the same diseases manifest so differently from one person to the next. She uses mathematics to deconstruct the chains of events that can lead two people with the same disease to have wildly different outcomes.

So with all its apparently chaotic eccentricities, the coronavirus was an ideal challenge for Gomes, a professor at the University of Strathclyde, in Glasgow, Scotland. For the past few months, she has been collaborating with an international group of mathematicians to run models that incorporate the many variations in how this virus seems to be affecting people. Her goal has been to move as far away from simple averages as possible, and to incorporate as many of the disparate effects of the virus as possible when making new forecasts.

“We just keep running the models, and it keeps coming back at less than 20 percent,” Gomes said. “It’s very striking.”

If that proves correct, it would be life-altering news. It wouldn’t mean that the virus is gone. But by Gomes’s estimates, if roughly one out of every five people in a given population is immune to the virus, that seems to be enough to slow its spread to a level where each infectious person is infecting an average of less than one other person. The number of infections would steadily decline. That’s the classic definition of herd immunity. It would mean, for instance, that at 25 percent antibody prevalence, New York City could continue its careful reopening without fear of another major surge in cases.

It doesn’t make intuitive sense, Gomes admits, but “the homogenous models just don’t make curves that match the current data,” she said. Dynamic systems develop in complex and unpredictable ways, and she believes that the best we can do is continually update models based on what is happening in the real world. She can’t say why the threshold in her models is consistently at or below 20 percent, but it is. “If heterogeneity isn’t the cause,” she said, “then I’d like for someone to explain what is.”

 

My nearest neighbor is 1/2 mile away.

I continued with my plans. The original builder of the property was quite a partier (i.e., young). There was a sand lot volley ball court in a South field (1993). Over the years, it had fallen into disuse, particularly mine. A few weeks ago, I dug it up. (The ground had been leveled, compacted, covered with plastic sheeting, and had at least 6" of sand over it. The saddest part was when I dug into a turtle's nest. Nothing I could do at that point to save them.) Project for the day was to level the field and prepare for grass -- if we ever get into a rain cycle. Very dry and hot June and July so far. Got done about noon:

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I did take a bath before fixing lunch.

Oh sorry to hear about the turtles, geeze things go wrong sometimes.

But on the lighter side of life, make sure you sign the "I took a bath" log book next time you take a bath we must keep track of these things

 

https://www.click2houston.com/news/...d-to-kill-covid-19-instantly-researchers-say/

 

That sucks, lets just dose the population right? to see what happens or worse yet someone gets the kits and contaminates them act of terrorism.

Don't be silly. If that were the case, surely it would have been mentioned at the conference.

 

This just makes no sense at all!

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Edit: Unless all the old folk have already died...

Until recently they did not test very many people, and for months the only ones that were tested had obvious symptoms. Now that the virus is on decline (in places) and tests are readily available they are testing vigorously and finding the patients without severe symptoms who would not have been detected before the increase in testing. All you see in the Main Street Media is the new cases "Look! See how many more cases they have over there now... They opened up too soon!"

Many people and organizations are making money with this and they don't really want it to stop while there is still more money to be made.

 

Some labs may be doing "sink tests" too: https://www.foxnews.com/health/coro...bs-not-reporting-negative-test-results-report or just not reporting negatives.

Unfortunately, a lot of it is just about money.

 

https://reader.elsevier.com/reader/...434DFFA5380BCF5BA178D5895B41EBF54CE4AEB9D783E
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160412020317876
How can airborne transmission of COVID-19 indoors be minimised?

12:30

 

Airborne claim is completely overblown. If it was airborne, the amount of cases would logically be much higher than they are ...

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/16/coronavirus-can-become-aerosol-doesnt-mean-doomed/

While this is old now, it does a good job if explaining the nuances.

 

@justtrying

Everything shown so far about masks has been laboratory models. Those experiments are quite artificial and ignore air currents and habits, to say nothing abut such things as the pathogenic process needed for the virus to infect.

Why are data of incidence among mask wears versus those who don't wear them being suppressed? Why are physicians in many areas being told they cannot ask about wearing masks?

The only study I have seen about masks effectiveness as normally used foolishly used post hoc ergo propter hoc logic to justify its conclusion. Well if that's good for the goose, then how about the gander? Why have spikes in incidence occurred in states with mandatory mask wearing? Promoting a failed intervention does not usually lead to success.

Our Governor is on the news tonight in Ohio. It's really a heart-felt message. Ohioans are strong. They don't give up. We will prevail. Rah, rah. Sincerity is no substitute for substance. His solution was more mandates for failed interventions, not more a logical response.

I'm with Orange County: https://calmatters.org/newsletters/whatmatters/2020/07/orange-county-school-reopening-gavin-newsom/

 

This quote is ironic from the University of Colorado Hospital by one of the doctors there:

"Furthermore, different viruses behave differently. Influenza or the seasonal flu typically does the greatest harm during the winter months. Experts believe that’s because more people are indoors during colder months and in close contact with one another. But other viruses behave differently. "

Is that ironic or what considering the "lockdowns" forcing people to stay indoors which forces families to stay in close contact all the time.

 

If I were to hazard a guess as to the proper use of masks by the general public I would put it at less than 10%. And that is just for those who even bother to wear one. The concept of "Mask Protocol" is beyond them, even my wife and son who have been instructed by me is the correct usage. It just ain't happening.

 

Or, from a simpler perspective, how can your barber give you a nice single-blade razor trim over your ears if you are wearing a mask FULL time?

My barber is in his late 80's. His hands shake. Been going to him for years. We decided since no enforcement "strike" teams seemed to be in the area, we would take the risk of removing the mask.

 

Or, from a simpler perspective, how can your barber give you a nice single-blade razor trim over your ears if you are wearing a mask FULL time?

My barber is in his late 80's. His hands shake. Been going to him for years. We decided since no enforcement "strike" teams seemed to be in the area, we would take the risk of removing the mask.

The mask police gonna get you! You gonna make Governor Mike cry!

Ron

 

Or, from a simpler perspective, how can your barber give you a nice single-blade razor trim over your ears if you are wearing a mask FULL time?

My barber is in his late 80's. His hands shake. Been going to him for years. We decided since no enforcement "strike" teams seemed to be in the area, we would take the risk of removing the mask.

You hold the mask on your mouth and nose with one hand. Then, remove one side of the ear strings. Once that side of your head has been cut, swap sides.

That’s how my barber does it.

 

My wife has been my barber the last couple of times ... now my hair looks like that Howard Wolowitz character...

 

Geeze guys go out and buy a dang razor for God's sake
Get a good electric.

I went to another state far away from home and forgot about shaving and didnt want to bring my electric and did not want to take a razor with me (TSA) i was lucky to find one at the store down the street. I found out later though that the TSA allows regular shaving razors like the disposable ones.

Good idea djs....