Robin, the two or three doses of vaccine reduces the chance of people getting the virus 10 times or more than unvaccinated, and reduces the chance of being hospitalized and dying up to 36 (!) times. You cannot have good health and normal living without being vaccinated. The virus attacks your lungs (and more of your body) very badly. AC can spread the virus around.

 

The wife and I both got covid. We were both hospitalised, and I nearly died. Odd for two people who are young (less than 30), and in good health.
I reckon it was the AC that made it worse, we both got pneumonia and AC is not the best air to be breathing when your ill.

I'm really, really glad to learn that you're ok, Robin ... God bless, and stay safe.

 

The wife and I both got covid. We were both hospitalised, and I nearly died. Odd for two people who are young (less than 30), and in good health.
I reckon it was the AC that made it worse, we both got pneumonia and AC is not the best air to be breathing when your ill.

Glad you are here to tell us about it, Robin. You got your immunization the hard way, but at least you are still here with us, and that's something we can be thankful for.

 

Robin, the two or three doses of vaccine reduces the chance of people getting the virus 10 times or more than unvaccinated, and reduces the chance of being hospitalized and dying up to 36 (!) times. You cannot have good health and normal living without being vaccinated. The virus attacks your lungs (and more of your body) very badly. AC can spread the virus around.

Oh I plan to get my vaccination at some point for sure. The only reason why I haven't done it is that I have an extreme phobia of needles like you have no idea. When I was hospitalised, I refused the stomach injection for clot prevention. They did it once, it was excruciating, and then I spent the next two weeks walking around every day of every minute in my room making sure that clots didn't form because I hate needles so much.

If they release the vaccine as a nose spray ill be first in line. But, if I could, I would happily pay a park ranger to shoot me with a dart with the vaccine when I least expect it. Its not the needle, but the anticipation of waiting to get it.

 

hi Robin,
The alternative is to wait until you get Covid and become hospitailsed for sure.
You have seen the daily infection rate for the UK around 30,000+ per day.

I had my first two shots around Xmas last year, had the Booster and the Flu shot at the same time, in the same arm last Tuesday, no problem and I am within spitting distance of my 89th birthday.

E

 

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Oh I plan to get my vaccination at some point for sure. The only reason why I haven't done it is that I have an extreme phobia of needles like you have no idea. When I was hospitalised, I refused the stomach injection for clot prevention. They did it once, it was excruciating, and then I spent the next two weeks walking around every day of every minute in my room making sure that clots didn't form because I hate needles so much.

If they release the vaccine as a nose spray ill be first in line. But, if I could, I would happily pay a park ranger to shoot me with a dart with the vaccine when I least expect it. Its not the needle, but the anticipation of waiting to get it.

Why get vaccinated? Do some research. There is strong evidence that having had Covid-19 and recovered you have immunity that is more robust and longer lasting than with the immunizations available. Rhetorical question: If your immune system did not beat the virus why are you no longer sick? Did the virus just get tired or replicating and give up? (ok, a second rhetorical question.)

Don't take my word for it, look around yourself and as you read conflicting information consider who is making the arguments and what might affect what they say.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/study-saying-covid-19-vaccines-171043375.html

As a result of this miscalculation, the study was withdrawn on September 24, with the researchers saying in a statement: "Our reported incidence appeared vastly inflated by an incorrectly small denominator (ie number of doses administered over the time period of the study). We reviewed the data available at Open Ottawa and found that there had indeed been a major underestimation, with the actual number of administered doses being more than 800,000

"In order to avoid misleading either colleagues or the general public and press, we the authors unanimously wish to withdraw this paper on the grounds of incorrect incidence data," they added.

The University of Ottawa Heart Institute also issued a statement of apology for any misinformation being spread as a result of this study.

 

Why get vaccinated? Do some research. There is strong evidence that having had Covid-19 and recovered you have immunity that is more robust and longer lasting than with the immunizations available. Rhetorical question: If your immune system did not beat the virus why are you no longer sick? Did the virus just get tired or replicating and give up? (ok, a second rhetorical question.)

Don't take my word for it, look around yourself and as you read conflicting information consider who is making the arguments and what might affect what they say.

The virus just got bored in my body and decided that going somewhere else would be more interesting

 

hi Robin,
The alternative is to wait until you get Covid and become hospitailsed for sure.
You have seen the daily infection rate for the UK around 30,000+ per day.

I had my first two shots around Xmas last year, had the Booster and the Flu shot at the same time, in the same arm last Tuesday, no problem and I am within spitting distance of my 89th birthday.

E

Im glad to her you got vaccined. However, I would say that most people do not get hospitalised for COVID especially those who are young and healthy.

I think I got severely ill because my wife got it first and developed pneumonia. Being the incredibly amazing husband I am, I refused to quarantine my wife by herself and stayed by her bedside until she was eventually hospitalised. Maybe I caught pneumonia from her because my initial COVID infection was absolutely fine. It was only after she went that it hit me very hard very fast.

I think the scariest moment for me was when I had a coughing attack that led to a closing of my airways. Plus, my wife was in the same hospital as me upstairs, but we couldn't be in the same room as each other (man I got really aggressive about that haha).

 

Im glad to her you got vaccined. However, I would say that most people do not get hospitalised for COVID especially those who are young and healthy.

I think I got severely ill because my wife got it first and developed pneumonia. Being the incredibly amazing husband I am, I refused to quarantine my wife by herself and stayed by her bedside until she was eventually hospitalised. Maybe I caught pneumonia from her because my initial COVID infection was absolutely fine. It was only after she went that it hit me very hard very fast.

I think the scariest moment for me was when I had a coughing attack that led to a closing of my airways. Plus, my wife was in the same hospital as me upstairs, but we couldn't be in the same room as each other (man I got really aggressive about that haha).

'Most people' can be a dangerous standard to evaluate avoidable individual risk as you well know from your experience with COVID-19.

Most people that play Russian Roulette once don't die, most people that drink and drive once don't die but there is a much higher possibly of death due to increased risk. A very easy way to decrease that risk in the case of COVID-19 is by vaccination.

 

The virus just got bored in my body and decided that going somewhere else would be more interesting

I was watching a virologist, speaking about current Antibody testing showing 3 fold for those who received a shot, then become a breakthrough case. Getting the shot, after recovering COVID, I would tend to think more Antibody formation will occur above the level of natural immunity, for me I would do it anyway.

I get my 3rd when I turn 65 in March. If I become a breakthrough case, the Antibody Manufacturing Plant will be in full gear, providing I survive.



kv

 

Why get vaccinated?

Because the experts and doctors say that then you are 10 times less likely to catch the virus but if you do you are 36 times less likely to be hospitalized. In the hospital ICU a ventilator machine pumps air though a tube into your lungs if there are any machines and expert doctors available. Your lungs and other organs might be scarred badly for the rest of your life if you survive.
Avoiding the vaccine is suicidal.
Heart attacks, cancer removal, transplants and many other surgeries are postponed because the hospitals are overloaded with antirvax people who would not be there if they were vaccinated.

 

My almost 40 daughter in the Republic of Georgia got it while waiting for vaccine to become available. Luckily, no hospitalization and has recovered. However, in order to fly to come home for Christmas she must be vaccinated to get through the passport check entry process. She has essentially been stuck in Georgia waiting on vaccine. She is now vaxed.

 

Im glad to her you got vaccine. However, I would say that most people do not get hospitalized for COVID especially those who are young and healthy.

I think I got severely ill because my wife got it first and developed pneumonia. Being the incredibly amazing husband I am, I refused to quarantine my wife by herself and stayed by her bedside until she was eventually hospitalised. Maybe I caught pneumonia from her because my initial COVID infection was absolutely fine. It was only after she went that it hit me very hard very fast.

I think the scariest moment for me was when I had a coughing attack that led to a closing of my airways. Plus, my wife was in the same hospital as me upstairs, but we couldn't be in the same room as each other (man I got really aggressive about that haha).

While it is great you are around to talk about it you really need to get over your fear of needles. As a kid I shared your fear and my grandfather was a doctor so go figure. Anyway I eventually grew out of my needle phobia. Thank goodness the polio vaccine had just come available when I was due sparing me the needle. Anyway, needles have become a fact of life. Even something as simple as a tetanus shot. You may someday need surgery so enter an IV. Yesterday marked a year since I had a motorcycle accident and I about choked when they mentioned a stomach shot to prevent clots. I never even felt a thing.

You are right in that the vast majority of COVID cases do not see a hospitalization or ICU but at my age I figure better safe than sorry. Anyway, happy for you and your wife you are still among the living.

Ron

 

It's great to hear a that you pulled through Robin - It sounds like you had a close call!

Why get vaccinated? Do some research. There is strong evidence that having had Covid-19 and recovered you have immunity that is more robust and longer lasting than with the immunizations available. Rhetorical question: If your immune system did not beat the virus why are you no longer sick? Did the virus just get tired or replicating and give up? (ok, a second rhetorical question.)

Don't take my word for it, look around yourself and as you read conflicting information consider who is making the arguments and what might affect what they say.

I was under the impression that vaccines are still recommended because the protection someone gains from having COVID-19 varies from person to person.

This must also true for the vaccines, so I searched for study comparing the varying protection for vaccines vs. natural immunity.

I had a look around and found this study...
(Cavanaugh AM, Spicer KB, Thoroughman D, Glick C, Winter K. Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19 Vaccination — Kentucky, May–June 2021. MMWR Morb Mortal Wkly Rep 2021;70:1081-1083. DOI: http://dx.doi.org/10.15585/mmwr.mm7032e1)
"Kentucky residents with previous infections who were unvaccinated had 2.34 times the odds of reinfection (OR = 2.34; 95% CI = 1.58–3.47) compared with those who were fully vaccinated; partial vaccination was not significantly associated with reinfection (OR = 1.56; 95% CI = 0.81–3.01)."

It looked into reinfection rates and the data suggests that you a better off getting your vaccinations even after you have received natural immunity.

Hope this helps

 

I am not going to argue about this, I only encourage people to do their own research. Apparently you have done so.

 

hi Robin,
The experts tell us that in the UK we get approx 11,000 deaths due to Flu during the winter months.
But due to the lock down last year the case numbers were well down.
Problem for the Vaccine researchers was the low Flu count, it means they had to use the Southern hemisphere for expected typical strains in order to create the latest vaccines.

A doomsday scenario is a possible 30,000 deaths this winter.

If you are eligible for a Flu shot, I would recommend you also get that done.

Ask yourself, what advice would you give to your grown up children regarding getting the Vaccines.?

E

 

hi shortbus,
Same problem with my daughter, tried all sorts of idea's but no luck.
Her Son told her was a Gov't plot to control us.

She finally told me she was frightened to have it done because she fears a blood clot, I do respect her fear, so I have just shut up.

E

 

I am in Ontario, Canada where 82% of eligible people (no little kids yet) are vaccinated for Covid-19 and almost everybody gets the flu vaccine. Ontario is far from the anti-vaxxed cowboys in Alberta. Some vaccinated people here get the virus and have a minor symptom but almost all serious hospital ICU cases are with anti-vaccinated people.

4.4 % of the Ontario population have had the Covid-19 virus and 1.64% of those people have died. Most cases and deaths occurred before the vaccine was introduced.
The number of flu deaths is extremely low, 21 per 100,000 people people each year in Ontario and they might have had other problems.

Experts have said that maybe the flu vaccine reduces the number of cases and deaths from the Covid-19 virus but the discussion is flawed because only "health conscious" people get both vaccines and almost nobody gets only one of the vaccines.

 

hi shortbus,
Same problem with my daughter, tried all sorts of idea's but no luck.
Her Son told her was a Gov't plot to control us.

She finally told me she was frightened to have it done because she fears a blood clot, I do respect her fear, so I have just shut up.

E

Your daughter (and everybody else getting and immunization) should be concerned and informed on a detail of how the injection is given.

A long time friend of mine is spending this week preparing for his mother's funeral. She had an AstraZeneca shot and three weeks later came down with bleeding in the chest and massive blood clots in her legs. Separately, it is coming out that many immunizations are given without bothering to check to see whether the injecting is going into a vein or a muscle (where it belongs). Speculating, that the procedure for checking whether the injection into a vein or not is not being followed that is partially responsible for clots.