We WILL pull through this. Vaccine or not...

Yes, we certainly will ... but it's definitely not over yet

 

Morning news here in my little corner of the world:
Cleveland Clinic Denies Woman Liver Transplant.

This woman's daughter was to be the organ donor. There are two key players in Cleveland, The Cleveland Clinic Hospitals and University Hospitals. The Cleveland Metro hospital is more a public hospital and the only highly rated Type I trauma center for miles. The Cleveland Clinic Hospitals and University Hospitals share the same rules for surgery, patients must be vaccinated. This is because transplant patients receive drugs to weaken the immune system. Now the family is all upset their surgery was cancelled. They are now looking for another provider to perform the transplant surgery. This just seems to reinforce how strong the division is over vaccinations. I figure that Cleveland Metro Hospital will likely follow suit soon.

Ron

 

What are you even talking about? Vaccination numbers are quite high in the US actually.

Again you don't get it. Denmark has a much higher vaccination rate than the USA. And they didn't need mandates or force to do it.

Even the homeless here do better than many people who are using their "rights".
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att...-203900893.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=1_11

 

Morning news here in my little corner of the world:
Cleveland Clinic Denies Woman Liver Transplant.
This just seems to reinforce how strong the division is over vaccinations. I figure that Cleveland Metro Hospital will likely follow suit soon.
Ron

Seems to me as I said before 3x+1, @cmartinez made the mistake of posting a video in the physics forum. What I learned from it was the association of 3x+1

Adding to the mystery, yes there will always be someone who doesn’t get Vaxxed, but the Mandates push those who will and the virus following it’s own path, either way eventually many will succumb to the virus either by (injection or inhalation = un-natural or natural) then there are those who don’t ever come into contact with it, but even over time their descendants may. But still as the formula suggests, even that has a limitation, never reaching zero.

In the end, really doesn’t matter to me, cause I got mine, with it came much more in the way of Antibodies and hope to add to them soon, and that also follows a path, natural exposure, maybe I’ll get more antibodies from exposure so long as I don’t expire. That is a time dilation equation. The way I see it, is short for you as the observer, but long because I have no expectations nor will I care when it comes to an end.

kv

 

More good news ...
https://www.npr.org/sections/health...vaccines-breakthrough-infections-transmission

Conventional wisdom says that if you're vaccinated and you get a breakthrough infection with the coronavirus, you can transmit that infection to someone else and make that person sick.

But new evidence suggests that even though that may happen on occasion, breakthrough infections might not represent the threat to others that scientists originally thought.

Ross Kedl, an immunologist at the University of Colorado School of Medicine, will point out to anyone who cares to listen that basic immunology suggests the virus of a vaccinated person who gets infected will be different from the virus of an infected unvaccinated person.

 

More good news ...
https://www.npr.org/sections/health...vaccines-breakthrough-infections-transmission

Enter my sister's breakthrough example. She did quarantine herself along with her dog for 14 days. Her only contact prior to being diagnosed was my other sister who spent a very long day 3 feet from her in a car. Both vaccinated one became infected and one not. Infected sister did comment how her symptoms were mild losing smell and taste for a few says but not much misery.

Ron

 

Teachers suspended over wearing N95 mask at work - they are only allowed to wear the chinese made surgical mask provided by the school

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/teacher-n95-mask-york-region-1.6207965

Last week in BC unvaccinated long term workers were set to be suspended. The deadline is now extended.

In Quebec, public health also lost the game of chicken with their nurses extending vaccination deadline till Nov 15th. Quebec is actively recruiting from the Philippines. Quebec went as far as to say they will strip unvaccinated nurses of their license.

In Interior BC many small hospitals are facing ER closures reducing number of beds. This is not new and has been happening for years.

I have never seen so much division and finger pointing in my life. You have a government telling you who to invite over for dinner.

If we went this far, we shoulg go all they way with government monitoring and strictly controling everyones diet, exercise and all daily activities. It is for the greater good.

 

This is all pretty nuts.

Weather to Fly or Not The plot thickens for the near complete shutdown of Southwest Airlines because of the “weather.” It seems the pilots, many ex-military, are staging a wildcat “sick out” to protest the mandated vaccine. Many pilots have already had Covid and see no reason for a dangerous and unneeded inoculation.

 

This is all pretty nuts.

​ Weather to Fly or Not The plot thickens for the near complete shutdown of Southwest Airlines because of the “weather.” It seems the pilots, many ex-military, are staging a wildcat “sick out” to protest the mandated vaccine. Many pilots have already had Covid and see no reason for a dangerous and unneeded inoculation.

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There had to be more to the story than weather and or technical problems. This is what happens when you try to force people or mandate people to do something they have no desire to do. The fact that I believe in vaccination is really here nor there and what is for the greater good can be argued forever. The end result will be strong protest. When it comes to airplanes I would guess the ones pictured are pretty expensive and my best guess is airplanes sitting on the ground are not making any money. That sucks when the bill comes due. So what should Southwest do? You can't terminate all of them.

Ron

 

My city and province are closing in on 90% vaccinated "herd immunity" because the the anti-vax protesters are fading away and instead are getting vaccinated.
The mandates are working by keeping anti-vaxed people away from restaurants, bars, theaters, transportation, the zoo and the baseball game tonight.
Anti-vax people are fired from many jobs.
Over-crowded hospitals are deciding not to treat people who are not vaccinated.

 

Something else to consider is how one sided everything is. When the pandemic hit, public health refused to acknowledge airborne transmission. This allowed hospitals to deny access to N95 masks to majority of their staff. They rewrote rules for use of surgical masks allocating daily usage per department. People expressing concern to management or union were silenced. You could complain to worksafe, but as all preciously established protocols have been rewritten, you had no grounds for complaint.

Fast forward, these same workers are threatened with suspension. Workers who were forced to work with inadequate PPE for months. Workers how likely already had COVID because of ourbreaks at their sites.

 

My city and province are closing in on 90% vaccinated "herd immunity" because the the anti-vax protesters are fading away and instead are getting vaccinated.
The mandates are working by keeping anti-vaxed people away from restaurants, bars, theaters, transportation, the zoo and the baseball game tonight.
Anti-vax people are fired from many jobs.
Over-crowded hospitals are deciding not to treat people who are not vaccinated.

Ontario has 2300 ICU beds. Canada has a "Duty to Care" Act.

Some current information - https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/hospitalizations

It would havr been great if "herd immunity" actually existed for this thing

 

'Mix and Match' COVID-19 study finds Pfizer or Moderna boosters may be best for J&J vaccine​

 

This is all pretty nuts.

​ Weather to Fly or Not The plot thickens for the near complete shutdown of Southwest Airlines because of the “weather.” It seems the pilots, many ex-military, are staging a wildcat “sick out” to protest the mandated vaccine. Many pilots have already had Covid and see no reason for a dangerous and unneeded inoculation.

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I really appreciate their use of English on many of the placards for the benefit of the foreign press.

 

To those living here in the USA and say that vaccines can't be mandated would you believe that in each state the government can do it? There is even a Supreme Court decision that makes it lawful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts

 

Interesting conversation between Joe Rogan and Dr. Sanjay Gupta.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/13/health/sanjay-gupta-joe-rogan-experience/index.html

 

So? That only shows the USA doesn't have a lock on ignorance, it's worldwide, ignorance and a political right wing.

 

Interesting conversation between Joe Rogan and Dr. Sanjay Gupta.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/13/health/sanjay-gupta-joe-rogan-experience/index.html

Gupta raises a valid question at the end of that article: "What's the point of arguing with someone who's already made up his mind?" ... the answer is that the discussion was never meant to be kept as a private affair between two participants...