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https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-7233752e272706a99c2ef7ade8105ea6

COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. are coming down again, hospitalizations are dropping, and new cases per day are about to dip below 100,000 for the first time in two months — all signs that the summer surge is waning.

Things are getting better.

 

Things are getting better.

I'm looking forward to the day when no more masks will be required, anywhere in the world ... perhaps 2023?

 

As the AP article says, "vaccine mandates and requirements" are working well to reduce Covid hospitalizations and cases.
A doctor in the article talked about anti-vaxers: " If people give up masks and social distancing and stop getting vaccinated, “we could be right back here in the winter with surge five".

 

A doctor in the article talked about anti-vaxers: " If people give up masks and social distancing and stop getting vaccinated, “we could be right back here in the winter with surge five".

I don't expect a significant surge if they do nothing. A large slice of the above listed people have already been infected and have at least short term antibody immunity. The reason cases are dropping in numbers in low vaxx'd, no mandates states is that those types of people are dropping in numbers to be infected.



https://www.orlandosentinel.com/cor...0211007-r5h7a4i3jrbancuhggdiudgmtu-story.html

GAINESVILLE — College football stadiums across Florida filled with tens of thousands of non-masked, screaming students and boosters packed closely together have so far resulted in no recognizable community outbreaks amid the pandemic, according to infection figures on the state’s biggest campuses.
The season began amid fears that big games could become super-spreader events. Now, nearly halfway through the season, which kicked off as the highly infectious Delta variant was still spreading across the U.S., the days and weeks after home games showed no significant surges on college campuses.

In back-to-back weekends last month for No. 20 University of Florida, for example, about 90,000 people crowded for several hours into Ben Hill Griffin Stadium for each game, where there were no requirements for vaccinations, masks or social distancing. Infection numbers on campus didn’t escalate dramatically in the days or weeks afterward, which would cover the typical COVID-19 incubation window.

 

There are a few antivax people in Canada. Most of them had a rodeo and passed the Covid virus around with no masks and no distancing. Now their hospitals are over-filled with them causing the military to help bury them.
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i tried looking for any source that claims that and could not find it. would you be able to provide one?

 

I'm looking forward to the day when no more masks will be required, anywhere in the world ... perhaps 2023?

Sounds a little optimistic but seriously that could be close to on target.

I don't expect a significant surge if they do nothing. A large slice of the above listed people have already been infected and have at least short term antibody immunity. The reason cases are dropping in numbers in low vaxx'd, no mandates states is that those types of people are dropping in numbers to be infected.

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I also believe that since we are running out of people who can be infected. At the onset it took time before I could actually say I knew anyone who had actually been infected. Today I am hard pressed to say I know anyone who has not been infected.

Ron

 

All the activities that are listed for vaccinated people probably require a vaccine passport that does not show if they have been infected. Why does an anti-vaxer take the chance of having the severe illness?

I do not know anyone who has been infected because everyone I know is smart and is not an anti-vaxer. Doctors, lawyers and other professionals.

 

Here is an increasingly used alibi for vaccination exemption and a pretty good read. Seems that there are always loopholes to be found in the laws...
Religious exemptions deviated from 'original purpose,' experts say (msn.com)

And @Audioguru again unfortunately we recently had the death of a family member that had been vaccinated, in good health, and had been released from the hospital for the treatment of breakthrough Covid. I don't know what the exact cause of death was but after mentioning to my GP on a recent visit she immediately responded it was a clot. Apparently very common for clots to form in the damaged lung tissue and break free to lodge in the brain causing massive stroke. Which is one reason I still mask and isolate as much as possible even after getting my at risk booster.

 

SamR, I am sorry to hear about the death of your family member.
I get my vaccine passport in 2 weeks then I will never see an anti-vaxer anywhere I go.

 

unfortunately we recently had the death of a family member that had been vaccinated, in good health, and had been released from the hospital for the treatment of breakthrough Covid. I don't know what the exact cause of death was but after mentioning to my GP on a recent visit she immediately responded it was a clot. Apparently very common for clots to form in the damaged lung tissue and break free to lodge in the brain causing massive stroke. Which is one reason I still mask and isolate as much as possible even after getting my at risk booster.

Got 2 shots going for 3rd when I turn 65 in March, even then………
I’m all about making an effort to mask and social distance, but when I’m with my wife (Pre-School) Teacher everyday, my daughter a COVID nurse on occasion, once a week, visit with my AntiVaxx Daughter and 5 Grandchildren, all attending Public Schools, it seems odd that I mask up, social distance, in General Public.

I know where my family have been, God only knows where other individuals have been or do in life. Paranoid is the perfect example of my behavior funny things is I have always done it. But COVID isn’t the only illness you can get, common colds, normal flu’s, Sneezing, Coughing, runny noses. I avoid them, if people are in a store, turn and walk away.

My Daughter and 5 Granddaughters know, if your even sluggish, cough, sniffle, my daughter will tell me. Grandpa doesn’t do that homie, 2 weeks later, symptom check everyone, clean but it’s still a crap shoot, can’t avoid everything but I do my best.

kv

 

Killvolt, why is your Antivaxx daughter taking a dangerous gamble and does not believe the experts, doctors and You?

 

Killvolt, why is your Antivaxx daughter taking a dangerous gamble and does not believe the experts, doctors and You?

When it comes to my Children I teach them to have there own mind, tell them to make informed decisions. It’s there life not mine, my policy is to not interfere, this choice was theirs. My Father was the same way, his Father before him and so on.

I have a policy when it comes to my health, age, lung, asthma, arthritis, eczema. In the beginning I had no idea the gravity of his pandemic, I isolated, masked, social distanced as usual, been that way for years.

My thoughts were good reasoning at first, stay on the fence, wait it out for the rest to gain herd immunity, watch and wait for the drug therapy to backfire or to work with amazing results the goal herd immunity, let other people be the experimental victims, which did not happen. And as percentages grew of fully Vaxxed people state to state crossing over 50% with infection rate surging, I made my choice, I had dodged the bullets to this point, then my Wife and Nurse daughter got the shot. This was troubling to me. Here is why.

I presumed there would be breakthrough cases, with me in the middle. I semi proposed in my mind the virus could mutate, its a living organism and did.

Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to predict either of those. I also at that point realized the choices others were making for me, both Non Vaxxers and Pro Vaxxers, I needed to make a choice for myself remove myself from the middle, right or wrong, get the shot, he who hesitates is lost, be about the business of living or on with the business of dying.

I decided if it was my decision, at least I made it myself no one else, there choices were there choices, and mine belonged to me.

Most people let others influence their choices.

In the end, if I become a breakthrough case and survive I will have antibody protection 3 fold. If a person contracts COVID and survives the antibodies produced are minimal by comparison.

I surprise myself, I came to this decision. Read my signature.

"Believe Nothing You Hear, and Only One Half That You See" Edgar Allan Poe

kv

 

When and if I am offered a third shot I will take it. I feel like it is tempting fate too much to not to. I do not need to be anymore screwed up than I already am.

 

I'm an engineer, and lack the means, the time and the talent to become a virologist.

Truth being told, I do not trust my own judgment in some areas.

So, it always boils down to a single question: "Who do you trust?"

I have a friend who is a conspiracionist anti-vaxxer ... and the question that he always avoids answering when I ask him is: "do you really believe that every health institution/authority in every government in the world has conspired to create an artificial pandemic so as to subjugate the population using a mind controlling substance disguised as a vaccine? ... I mean, governments can't even agree into making joint human rights declarations ... and here you are affirming that they've agreed into building this world crisis together?"

Logic and reason have its limits with some people...

 

i tried looking for any source that claims that and could not find it. would you be able to provide one?

He is talking about Alberta. They are the "Texas" of Canada...

On a more serious note, COVID has become the catch all excuse for the state in which canadian healthcare finds itself today. It is not years of underfunding and mismanagement, it is COVID... This is not being discussed by anyone and will never be looked at.

ERs understaffed due to COVID? They have been understaffed for years. This is a final nail in the coffin. People who can are taking early retirement and the gwnral advise is DO NOT go into this "industry", learn a trade

https://globalnews.ca/news/6214628/nova-scotia-temporary-er-closures/

 

The wife and I both got covid. We were both hospitalised, and I nearly died. Odd for two people who are young (less than 30), and in good health.
I reckon it was the AC that made it worse, we both got pneumonia and AC is not the best air to be breathing when your ill.

 

He is talking about Alberta. They are the "Texas" of Canada...

On a more serious note, COVID has become the catch all excuse for the state in which canadian healthcare finds itself today. It is not years of underfunding and mismanagement, it is COVID... This is not being discussed by anyone and will never be looked at.

ERs understaffed due to COVID? They have been understaffed for years. This is a final nail in the coffin. People who can are taking early retirement and the gwnral advise is DO NOT go into this "industry", learn a trade

https://globalnews.ca/news/6214628/nova-scotia-temporary-er-closures/

Some good and interesting points there. I have known several young nurses who are looking to advance their educations and change fields. I am seeing some large sign-on bonuses being paid out also to bring good nurses onboard. A large number of people I graduated HS with, Class of 68 went into nursing careers and most had a rewarding career. Our granddaughter (HS Senior) was considering nursing but she seems to be having second thoughts. She is a bright kid and is starting to see scholarship offers for academics.

I am not sure where all of this is going but I also agree, even down here in the US it seems COVID is to blame for everything going wrong. That includes things going wrong long before COVID came along. Go figure huh?

Ron