I didn’t say an uninformed dumbass. Dumbasses might well read neo-Nazi web sites. That doesn’t make it an organized terrorist attack on our infrastructure.

His/her dumbass defense will still get a charge of Domestic Terrorism.

 

actually it's a trade off between security,economy and humanity.
when you develope technologies so fast for higher economical profits,society could not have enough time to adapt with such instant changes and it would cause radical reactions that endangers security.
defected security shows off negative feedbacks to both economy and humanity as well,and so it begins...
the things act like a non-linear noisy distorted screwed up with negative feedback system in sight of control system theories then :--p

 

Dang dumbass right-wing terrorguanas!





*just a little levity for a serious situation.

 

I am sure that iguana must have had specialized knowledge to accomplish such a large disruption.

 

https://cybersquirrel1.com/

 

I am sure that iguana must have had specialized knowledge to accomplish such a large disruption.

I don't have to convince anyone. The FBI is all set to file Domestic Terrorism charges.

 

Don't forget the possibility of an EMP attack by some rogue nation that happens to have nukes and missiles. It's pretty amazing how one nuke at the right altitude can be reflected by the Earth's magnetic field to affect most of the USA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_electromagnetic_pulse
And there's the near-certainty of another geomagnetic storm like the Carrington Event, perhaps even much stronger since there's evidence from tree rings.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrington_Event
The USA could become "The Walking Dead" within a couple of weeks, except without zombies, just people with guns fighting over food.

 

I didn’t say an uninformed dumbass. Dumbasses might well read neo-Nazi web sites. That doesn’t make it an organized terrorist attack on our infrastructure.

Also, nobody said anything about "organized". One person can be a terrorist.

 

Nice to see we are pretty much back on track. I think (operative word think) the NSA and other government agencies are likely looking long and hard for those responsible for this attack on the grid. Right now there is pretty much just speculation as to who is responsible. The next objective is how to make our power grid more secure until security can be better built into substations? During Vietnam we dropped sensors along the Ho Chi Minh trail to detect movement at night under jungle foliage. They worked pretty well but I have no clue how sensors beyond a substation perimeter would work? There is also IR imaging but substations are a pretty warm area. Armed guards? I have no idea what would be viable?

We have literally thousands of power grid substations across the US. How the hell do we cover all the bases? How many are at risk of attack? It was only a matter of time and recent events are really not a first.

Ron

 

One person can be a terrorist.

Nah, it takes more than one... Bubba had to have someone hold his beer while he done it.

 

There's supposed to be an Strategic Transformer Reserve, but I think it's on hold or waiting for funding . Not unlike the PPE reserves that weren't replenished after SARS...
Grid Assurance allows participating power companies to see each other's spare parts stock, which must be very helpful for localized grid failures, but utterly inadequate for a Carrington Event.
https://gridassurance.com/

 

https://www.krqe.com/news/weird/squirrels-how-often-do-they-cause-power-outages/

Entergy, a New Orleans-based energy company operating in the southern U.S., reported 15,000 of the 22,000 animal-related power outages in its Mississippi service area. The company said squirrels are its “undisputed” top animal offender, easily outpacing outages caused by raccoons (over 600 outages) and birds (1,200 outages).

Meanwhile, Unitil, a utility company serving over 107,000 in the northeast U.S., says squirrels cause an average of 8.5% of its outages each year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_disruptions_caused_by_squirrels

Electrical disruptions caused by squirrels are common and widespread, and can involve the disruption of power grids. It has been hypothesized that the threat to the internet, infrastructure and services posed by squirrels may exceed that posed by cyber-attacks.[1] Although many commentators have highlighted humorous aspects of the concern, squirrels have proven consistently able to cripple power grids in many countries,[2] and the danger posed to the electrical grid from squirrels is ongoing and significant.[3][4] This has led to tabulations and maps compiled of the relevant data.[5]

John C. Inglis, the former deputy director of the U.S. National Security Agency, said in 2015 that he judged the electrical grid was as likely to be paralyzed by a natural disaster as by a cyberattack and added: "[F]rankly, the No. 1 threat experienced to date by the U.S. electrical grid is squirrels."[22][23]

Always good to keep perspective.

 

His/her dumbass defense will still get a charge of Domestic Terrorism.

Here is the legal definition of domestic terrirism from FBI.gov

Domestic terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.

So what ideological goal are they furthering by shooting up a power substation without letting know why? They may charge them, but will need a lot more justification to convict. For all we know, it might have been a dare by drunken rednecks on a Saturday night.

 

Here is the legal definition of domestic terrirism from FBI.gov

So what ideological goal are they furthering by shooting up a power substation without letting know why? They may charge them, but will need a lot more justification to convict. For all we know, it might have been a dare by drunken rednecks on a Saturday night.

You should tell the FBI and DHS that they should stand down and assume it's a dumbass. I agree with you that a terrorist group doing a small-scale test of damaging two neighboring substations would likely stand up and claim responsibility for it before they plan a larger attack on dozens of substations. Yeah, I'm in compete agreement with you.

 

So what ideological goal are they furthering by shooting up a power substation without letting know why? They may charge them, but will need a lot more justification to convict. For all we know, it might have been a dare by drunken rednecks on a Saturday night.

Two drunks must have coordinated very well to shoot up two substations simultaneously.

Or perhaps it was domestic terrorism coordinated by a former US Army physiological operations officer to stop a drag show.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wr...m-that-left-thousands-without-power/20612783/

 

Two drunks must have coordinated very well to shoot up two substations simultaneously.

Or perhaps it was domestic terrorism coordinated by a former US Army physiological operations officer to stop a drag show.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wr...m-that-left-thousands-without-power/20612783/

...and apparently similar LGBTQ+ events were also disrupted in Washington and Oregon. If you have enough Random dumbasses they will randomly do the same thing for the same reason in the same month.

Beyond this month’s incidents in South Carolina and North Carolina, where lights flickered back on Wednesday:

• In Oregon, a substation in Clackamas was damaged in a “deliberate physical attack” over the Thanksgiving holiday, a Bonneville Power Administration spokesperson told CNN. “BPA operators discovered a cut perimeter fence and damaged equipment inside,” the spokesperson said, adding the company is working with the FBI on the incident.

• In Washington state, “two incidents occur(ed) in late November at two different substations,” Puget Sound Energy spokesperson told CNN. “Both incidents are currently under investigation by the FBI,” it said, adding, “We are aware of recent threats on power systems across the country and take these very seriously.”

And two Cowlitz County Public Utility District substations were vandalized in mid-November in the Woodland area, agency spokesperson Alice Dietz told The Seattle Times. “At this time, we do not have any further comment … Our facilities have since been repaired,” Dietz told the Times. CNN has reached out to the FBI’s office in Seattle for comment.

 

These crazies have been shooting up the grid for decades. I'm not too worried about the current crop of crazies being something special this time.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...on-calif-power-station-raises-terrorism-fears
Sniper Attack On Calif. Power Station Raises Terrorism Fears

February 5, 2014 12:40 PM ET

Regarding the FBI's view about who's responsible, "we don't know why the FBI feels it was not a terrorist attack," she added.

 

You should tell the FBI and DHS that they should stand down and assume it's a dumbass. I agree with you that a terrorist group doing a small-scale test of damaging two neighboring substations would likely stand up and claim responsibility for it before they plan a larger attack on dozens of substations. Yeah, I'm in compete agreement with you.

No, I do not think you or I or the FBI should make any assumptions until we have some facts. It is you who is assuming it was domestic terrorism. I have only given an alternative explanation. It may well turn out to be terrorism, but you seem to think it is certain, with statements like this:

His/her dumbass defense will still get a charge of Domestic Terrorism.

You may actually be right about this. They will likely charge domestic terrorism even if the facts don’t support it, because governments have a vested interest in keeping the people afraid all the time.

 

... because governments have a vested interest in keeping the people afraid all the time.

Or, god forbid, warm an illuminated.

 

https://www.krqe.com/news/weird/squirrels-how-often-do-they-cause-power-outages/


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_disruptions_caused_by_squirrels



Always good to keep perspective.

Actually mylar balloons aside I have watched squirrels do same up my street. The line transformers where I am are 7 KV AC primary and 240 VAC split phase secondary. There was a period of several months when squirrels would get across the primary and vaporize. Transformers like this have a positive disconnect. They use an explosive charge to disconnect and those sound like a 12 gauge shotgun going off. Over a period of 6 or 7 summer months at least once a month a squirrel would get across the transformer and bang darkness. The end was quick as the squirrels literally exploded. This took out about 1/2 my street. Everything west of me. My house and houses east of me are on the next transformer. I could never figure out wht only that transformer? The transformer we are on they had no interest in. Neither is surrounded by trees or anything. Then as quick as it began it stopped and that was several years ago. Why that transformer?

On a side note regarding attacks on substations and any connections to anything LGBTQ I have seen nothing beyond speculation? Is there anything at all credible to support this theory?

COVID is a good example of fear. I know people, young people who still live in fear.

The Hong Kong flu, also known as the 1968 flu pandemic, was a flu pandemic whose outbreak in 1968 and 1969 killed between one and four million people globally. It is among the deadliest pandemics in history, and was caused by an H3N2 strain of the influenza A virus. The virus was descended from H2N2 (which caused the Asian flu pandemic in 1957–1958) through antigenic shift, a genetic process in which genes from multiple subtypes are reassorted to form a new virus.

I remember that well and people were nowhere near as freaked out. Then too the government never shut down the country or pandered fear. Anyway we will see how this plays out with attacks on power substations which remain vulnerable. Especially as we move into winter and cold. People fear cold and dark.

Thanks everyone for sharing their thoughts and views to date.

Ron