You know what I think..You have read some forged ones.

My Sanskrit, Hindi, ancient Arabic and ancient Hebrew were a little rusty, so I read some translations, but I do not think they were forgeries.

 

Is a human a member of the species homo sapiens (homo s.)?

I really do not care to find out what science refers to as homo s.
I would rather refer to us just "humans". This is what over creator created and we have called our selves as humans.
Human's is not a species of any thing. Humans were created as Humans and was made of dust (clay). Creator gave life to just one human. Who is "Adam". This was the beginning of the human, but not human race. As far as I know.
To give Adam another human companion, God made "Eve" from Adams spine, this is what we believe. Since Adam is from dust originally so is Eve, and so is every other living creature. We know this cause we return to dust in the end.
No one can deny this. So this is the truth.

is true, then are all homo s. to be considered Humans

If you call us Humans by that scientific name, then ,yes.

is not true, is the point at which homo s. changes to human a cultural one

Humans are differentiated for a reason. different cultures, races and language. Humans never evolved from anything, we are as we were created...only smaller. ( which Quran states, is a sign that the end is near )

I will elaborate on my last comment.
Human only changed in size, there for changed in strength and life span.
The longest human ever lived was as I remember, (I need to find out) was Nooh (PBUH). He was a messenger like Jesus (PBUH). He lived for almost 950 years. The oldest human ever lived.Then all the living things were wiped out but for a pair of each species. This was what was called Noah's ark. This is a true story in which it rained covering the earth in water. This wasn't a sea level rise or a ice age as you all call.
Then Humans were huge and strong and can uproot treas. But it is our greed that lead us to this day. Yes Greed is the only thing that led to defiance and disobedience. This is what happen when will is gifted.

One more thing..Earth was populated before humans by another powerful race as I believe when I think of such things. But I am, not sure, cause it was never informed in Qur'an.

 

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we have tree's older then the earth.

Some trees (bristlecone pines, perhaps) have been alive longer than the duration of time since the act of creation of the earth.

Bishop Ussher put that date at 4004 BCE.

 

How can tree outlast a fossil?

 

Well, well!! My kinda guy..too bad this forum does not allow that kinda topic to be open, we can discuss this in closed doors....I firmly believe that I can convince you.....But before that ,,what do you believe in...
What do you mean by the bold text....

I do not believe what is shown in movies....but I like them for the fact the effort put in to good movies and the story that us humans can imagine....
It's just a good entertainment to me. Nothing more...same as porn...

LHC won't make S**T... no one can make a black hole...it's not in the power of humans to yield that kinda power. But humans can destroy themselves using nukes...Humans always takes the power to destroy not to make good.

To bill......moving out of the way is something I would do...if it comes to that...and yes. god helps to those who help themselves..this is indeed true.
I need to see Yellowstone..never heard of that.

I believe in most scientific facts cause they are stated in Quran. It is foe this reason only. What science is sated in Quran before they even had discovered it

Can you name any specific scientific things in the Quran? For example, does it mention antibiotics or modern medicine? What about the energy-mass equivalence, i.e. e=mc^2. Anything on electrons and photons?

 

I really do not care to find out what science refers to as homo s.

Then our discussion fails before it begins. We cannot have an open and sharing discussion if one of us chooses to close his eyes and mind to the ideas of the other. The process, in order to be meaningful, would require that we each listen to and try to understand the words of the other. In that way we may best research and offer counter arguments.

I would rather refer to us just "humans". This is what over creator created and we have called our selves as humans.
Human's is not a species of any thing. Humans were created as Humans and was made of dust (clay). Creator gave life to just one human. Who is "Adam". This was the beginning of the human, but not human race. As far as I know.

What do you mean here? Please explain this a bit further.

To give Adam another human companion, God made "Eve" from Adams spine, this is what we believe.

The usual interpretation is rib. However, the Hebrew word ‘mitzal'otav’ is better translated as ‘side of the body’

Since Adam is from dust originally so is Eve, and so is every other living creature. We know this cause we return to dust in the end.
No one can deny this. So this is the truth.

On the concept that we come from dust, yes I can agree, but we need to understand just how literal we need to take the bible. Is it a literal narrative or is it a metaphorical narrative?

If you call us Humans by that scientific name, then ,yes.

We can leave this for future discussion, but it makes an interesting point to discuss. There were several lines of H. Sapiens. Genetic material from all lines is still in evidence today in varying degrees across the races. Let me however ask you, do you hold any stock in science at all? For instance, is the process of carbon dating something you accept?

Humans are differentiated for a reason. different cultures, races and language. Humans never evolved from anything, we are as we were created...only smaller. ( which Quran states, is a sign that the end is near )

Do you remember the verse?

(PBUH).

What is this?

Then Humans were huge and strong and can uproot treas.

I’d like to know more about this. Did any remains survive? Can you give me a reference I can check?

 

Can you name any specific scientific things in the Quran? For example, does it mention antibiotics or modern medicine? What about the energy-mass equivalence, i.e. e=mc^2. Anything on electrons and photons?

tom66..my dear...Qur'an does..I will talk about this much later as I have lotta things going on for now...

 

Ohh, forgot this one R!f@@...

This is a true story in which it rained covering the earth in water. This wasn't a sea level rise or a ice age as you all call.

Where did all the water come from, and where did it since go?

 

How can a tree grow without soil (earth)

Alberto

I think that's the point. There is a spruce tree in Sweden that is technically 9,550 years old. The current trunk is only 375 years old, but it keeps re-growing from it's own remains. Not from seed. It is genetically identical to the oldest remains. The oldest remains have been dated at 9,550 years old.

One would think they would have been washed away in the flood.

(http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=...a=X&ei=ZT79TO-0BJSisAPNoeD3DQ&ved=0CBYQ9QewAg)

 

I remember reading an archeologists submission about the flood being real, but being a really large flash flood that nearly wiped out a Jewish tribe. You have to remember in much more primitive days the world was flat, and over the horizon didn't exist.

 

When I said that I do not care what science says means the terms used..like homo sapiens..to me it's just words. Like humans...if humans means homo, then it is homo.....get it.
I take the scientific facts and I believe in them too. It's logic ..one cannot be illogical...
Science says this , science says that..let's not go there...There are scientific facts I believe and some I laugh at.

As for human race, it began when Adam disobeyed his creator.. it is the apple story that goes around. it is true.

Yes...it was from a rib of Adam that Eve was created. I think the language barrier is the culprit...you might be misunderstanding in the things I say and the way I say it. I just a simple guy..u know

Let me however ask you, do you hold any stock in science at all? For instance, is the process of carbon dating something you accept?

Yes.

I do not remember all the verses, I have to look up to it...

and by the way (PBUH)..means Peace Be Upon Him...
Qur'an states tht when ever we mention any messengers name .let it be Jesus(PBUH), Nooh(PBUH) or Mohamed (SLAV)PBUH. we should say this after the name. It's like praying for them and respecting them & it truly opens up ones heart. When you say these things

 

RIffaa, you must be a King,Prince,you have too much knowledge.
You put things together very good.You were sent away to college.
You know about the apple, (Apple, the garden,the( worm-1)
the (worm hole-0 ) ......You get It ..Apple ..1..0.. computer code.
An Irresistable mind, Loosewire,wm

 

I remember reading an archeologists submission about the flood being real, but being a really large flash flood that nearly wiped out a Jewish tribe. You have to remember in much more primitive days the world was flat, and over the horizon didn't exist.

And I am quite all right with this. However, accepting this would mean looking at the sacred texts in less than absolute terms. If we want to look at them as absolute literals, then there are extreme problems that become immediately apparent. I can start with Genesis chapter 1.

However, if we look at them as a collection of metaphors and localized parables, they become something different. Worthy of note as guides, possibly, but a closer analysis, even in this vein, brings huge doubt to God's existence and their validity by the sheer weight of the contradictions and nonesense that unfold. No entity claiming the title God would ever be so confused.

Only in the second context do these texts make any sense at all, but the acceptance of this context will inevitably lead one to have to make decisions about what should be heeded and what needs to be ignored. Unfortunately, this is exactly the process that fouled everything up in the first place. Not to mention that such a questioning mind would not be tolerated by religious doctrine.

In the end, you may be left with only 6 full and 2 partials of the 10 commandments. Good stuff, but certainly obvious stuff to any intelligent person.

 

RIffaa, you must be a King,Prince,you have too much knowledge.
You put things together very good.You were sent away to college.
You know about the apple, (Apple, the garden,the( worm-1)
the (worm hole-0 ) ......You get It ..Apple ..1..0.. computer code.
An Irresistable mind, Loosewire,wm

As I have said before..me no king

The knowledge that I have is S**t.. I need more .

We are here to acquire knowledge from our surroundings

 

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If you read Neil Stephenson's "Snowcrash", it covers quite a lot of the same areas (religion roots, informational hygene, true and false books/prophets) with a different result.

It is also an awesome sci-fi book that should be read anyway, along with Cryptonomicon. Diamond Age is OK once you understand the precept.

 

A problem I have with the Adam and Eve story is the part about Adam's first wife Lilith.

 

A problem I have with the Adam and Eve story is the part about Adam's first wife Lilith.

Lilith...who the heck is that .

 

Did someone delete one of my posts?