They are all a joke. The CIA couldn't find anybody they could trust, so they wasted a lot of money.

No, your feeble argument was a joke. The CIA didn't and doesn't give a crap about trust with their proxy army (the DOD rebels program was a joke so don't confuse the two programs.) Their only metric was the success or failure of the mission. It was a total failure to boot Assad so I guess they wasted a lot of money on that but it helped to create and expand a monster terror organisation that even Al-Qaeda believed was extreme so I guess that goes for something in the CIA scoreboard of wins and losses.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/01/14/isis-are-just-too-extreme-says-al-qaeda-6380827/

Islamic State have been accused of ‘madness’ by the leader of terrorist group al-Qaeda for ‘exceeding the limits of extremism’ and killing their own jihadis.

 

Has anybody told you the, "center of ISIS resistance" is the terrorists the U.S. is making by bombing civilians? Or that the U.S. created ISIS in the first place? And armed them?

I know. It's all a lot of hooey to you. The U.S. government couldn't possibly be to blame for the inevitable results of their own behavior.

Think it's all a lot of hooey to me now?

 

I'll be on regular medicare next year.

I only visit my primary care once a year and my cardiologist once a year. I get my "copay" bill after the visits. I agree the percentage increase in medicare will drive people to buy into supplemental plans to reduce the copays.

 

I'll be on regular medicare next year.

I only visit my primary care once a year and my cardiologist once a year. I get my "copay" bill after the visits. I agree the percentage increase in medicare will drive people to buy into supplemental plans to reduce the copays.

So you buy your own or your employer buys it?
What do you pay?
I don't have a supplemental, I just liked the advantage better. It gave me vision and some other things I liked.

 

My employer ... although it was a reduction in what they stated at the time I joined the company.

 

Think it's all a lot of hooey to me now?

I'm with @#12 on this one. I think your trying to pin ISIS on the CIA when the problem was/is the Sunni being screwed. First by us and then by their own gov't. If they turn into ISIS or just stir up Jihads killing a bunch of innocents doesn't help things. We may push them underground but it will be years before they are gone.
I'm sure I can find a source that says BS for every conspiracy theory site you come up with.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/isis-myths-debunked_n_5875050.html

 

I'm with @#12 on this one. I think your trying to pin ISIS on the CIA when the problem was/is the Sunni being screwed. First by us and then by their own gov't. If they turn into ISIS or just stir up Jihads killing a bunch of innocents doesn't help things. We may push them underground but it will be years before they are gone.
I'm sure I can find a source that says BS for every conspiracy theory site you come up with.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/30/isis-myths-debunked_n_5875050.html

If you listen closely (I know it's hard to concentrate on facts because as you say its complicated with so many killers and terrorist in the ME mix) my friend you will see I'm not trying to pin ISIS on the CIA (that belongs firmly on the Bush camp for the BS invasion of Iraq to topple Saddam) but there is no denying the CIA under Obama had a hand in utilizing, enhancing and training forces (The Nusra Front, a terrorist organization) that joined today's ISIS after we used them for their own mission to topple Assad and defeat Russia by proxy. I don't believe the CIA created Al-Qaeda either but we did train and equipment the Mujahideen to defeat Russia in Afghanistan that helped to create the Taliban Holy jihad that morphed into the terror group.
If you want to call the NYTimes and the WashingtionPost conspiracy theory sites then we might have something to talk about with some of their stories about Trump.
That stupid HuffPost story was written before Snowden and the WaPo released leaked documents that detailed the 1 billion a year CIA covert program to train, arm and deploy at least 10,000 rebel fighters to Syria with arms shipments starting in 2012.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...line-on-protecting-cia-backed-rebels-in-syria

"We've aligned ourselves to these guys, we trained them and paid them and sent them off to battle, and when the going gets tough, we're not there."
...
President Barack Obama has not spoken about the CIA program publicly, but he has said that Russia risks slipping into a quagmire in Syria and is operating from a position of weakness.

Obama also faces a vexing dilemma. On the one hand, the chief American goal in Syria is to destroy the Islamic State, an extremist army with billions of dollars at its disposal. Yet American officials also believe that getting Assad out of Syria is a key precursor to defeating the Islamic State movement, which is driven in part by Sunni disaffection with the Alawite governing class. And the Russians are working to keep Assad in power.

The CIA effort, which has trained and funded as many as 10,000 Syrian rebels over the last two years, is separate from the failed Defense Department training program that the Pentagon ended last week. The Pentagon program required fighters to promise to take on only the Islamic State, not the Syrian government, and managed to put into action fewer than 80 men.


Technically secret, the CIA program funnels money, weapons and training to so-called moderate rebels who are fighting Assad. After some early failures, the CIA-backed rebels began over the summer to put serious pressure on the Assad government, U.S. officials say, though Lister and other analysts say extremist militias were key to those engagements.

The relationship between the CIA-backed rebels and extremists has been an ongoing point of controversy. Some lawmakers who have been briefed on the program are deeply concerned about whether the CIA can control the militants and keep track of the weapons it is providing.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-offensive-after-coalition-airstrike-atrocity

Iraqi military leaders have halted their push to recapture west Mosul fromIslamic State as international outrage grew over the civilian toll from airstrikes that killed at least 150 people in a single district of the city.
...
A UK report on the 17 March fighting, which was issued just a couple of days later, described “very challenging conditions with heavy cloud”. Tornado jets were sent to “support Iraqi troops advancing inside western Mosul” in intense urban fighting, where crews had to “engage targets perilously close to the Iraqi troops whom they were assisting”. They used Paveway guided missiles to hit five targets. The coalition said in a separate statement it had carried out four airstrikes aimed at “three Isis tactical units”. They destroyed more than 50 vehicles and 25 “fighting positions”.
...
He warned that the deaths, and other recent attacks in Syria that have claimed dozens of lives, risked turning public sentiment against the coalition. “We have until recently always credited the coalition for taking care to avoid civilian casualties, compared with the Russians. But since the last months of 2016 you have seen this steep climb in civilian casualties and public sentiment has turned very sharply against the US-led coalition.”

As the scale of the disaster became apparent, Iraqi military sources confirmed that they had been ordered not to launch new operations.

Civilian casualties are unavoidable and are especially unavoidable when fighting terrorists who use civilians as human shields and purposefully have their defensive positions in and around civilian areas to create civilian casualties. At least we care and try to avoid them, do you think that Russia gave a fig about civilian casualties in Syria.

 

 

If you listen closely (I know it's hard to concentrate on facts because as you say its complicated with so many killers and terrorist in the ME mix) my friend you will see I'm not trying to pin ISIS on the CIA (that belongs firmly on the Bush camp for the BS invasion of Iraq to topple Saddam) but there is no denying the CIA under Obama had a hand in utilizing, enhancing and training forces (The Nusra Front, a terrorist organization) that joined today's ISIS after we used them for their own mission to topple Assad and defeat Russia by proxy. I don't believe the CIA created Al-Qaeda either but we did train and equipment the Mujahideen to defeat Russia in Afghanistan that helped to create the Taliban Holy jihad that morphed into the terror group.
If you want to call the NYTimes and the WashingtionPost conspiracy theory sites then we might have something to talk about with some of their stories about Trump.
That stupid HuffPost story was written before Snowden and the WaPo released leaked documents that detailed the 1 billion a year CIA covert program to train, arm and deploy at least 10,000 rebel fighters to Syria with arms shipments starting in 2012.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...line-on-protecting-cia-backed-rebels-in-syria

Maybe you are right and I misunderstood this statement:

They didn't like or love us before we bombed ISIS among them them to stop a crazy death cult called ISIS that was trained and armed by Hillary Clinton and President Obama as a CIA proxy army to defeat Syria's Assad in cities before the attacked cities like Mosul.

This seems at odds with this from above:

CIA covert program to train, arm and deploy at least 10,000 rebel fighters to Syria

I'm not saying those rebels all remained where we tried to put them, but neither do I think we picked the worst of the worst to start a movement.
The problem arose from the discrimination of the Sunni. I do think we agree on that.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-offensive-after-coalition-airstrike-atrocity


Civilian casualties are unavoidable and are especially unavoidable when fighting terrorists who use civilians as human shields and purposefully have their defensive positions in and around civilian areas to create civilian casualties. At least we care and try to avoid them, do you think that Russia gave a fig about civilian casualties in Syria.

To the Russians they are all enemies because they are against Assad.

 

I'm not saying those rebels all remained where we tried to put them, but neither do I think we picked the worst of the worst to start a movement.
The problem arose from the discrimination of the Sunni. I do think we agree on that.

The CIA effectively created a mercenary force, while we paid top dollar they were ours but how could we complete with sex slaves and pillage when the CIA money ran short. We couldn't, so the worse of our mercenary forces joined with ISIS.
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/3000-fsa-fighters-defect-isis-qalamoun-mountains/

Sure, the stable dictatorships of Assad and Saddam kept the underlying hate sectarian under control. When we destroyed that in Iraq and fractured it almost to the breaking point in Syria the result was as bad or worse as the Intel reports predicted years before it happened.

 

The CIA effectively created a mercenary force, while we paid top dollar they were ours but how could we complete with sex slaves and pillage when the CIA money ran short. We couldn't, so the worse of our mercenary forces joined with ISIS.
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/3000-fsa-fighters-defect-isis-qalamoun-mountains/

Sure, the stable dictatorships of Assad and Saddam kept the underlying hate sectarian under control. When we destroyed that in Iraq and fractured it almost to the breaking point in Syria the result was as bad or worse as the Intel reports predicted years before it happened.

Yep.
Mosul should be fun to watch. Kurds, Turks, US, Shia militia Iraq gov't. and no money to put it back together again. I think I'm going to bet on the Kurds. Don't know why.

 

regarding civilian casualties... please give some regard to what you say... political games being played are dangerous indeed. The word collateral damage was created, war contractors brought in etc etc etc. US is responsible for Dresden, Hisroshima and Nagasaki, Vietnam and multiple others. This is not to excuse other countries...

here is to refresh your memory:

there is a translation in one of the comments...

 

Dresden? The poor suffering Germans! What about the bombing of Warsaw, Rotterdam, London? What about Auschwitz or Bergen-Belsen? It seems that to some bleeding hearts that buildings are more important than people.

 

Dresden? The poor suffering Germans! What about the bombing of Warsaw, Rotterdam, London? What about Auschwitz or Bergen-Belsen? It seems that to some bleeding hearts that buildings are more important than people.

I've seen some pretty impressive one of kind buildings and I have also met many far from impressive people the world would be better without so what's your point?

Not all buildings are replaceable and not all people are worth what they are given credit to be worth by people who don't know them.

http://www.creativebloq.com/architecture/famous-buildings-around-world-10121105

Gotta say if given the choice between saving one of these places from destruction and saving the village idiot/thief/rapist/pedo from death. Hell ya, someone's gonna die!

 

Dresden? The poor suffering Germans! What about the bombing of Warsaw, Rotterdam, London? What about Auschwitz or Bergen-Belsen? It seems that to some bleeding hearts that buildings are more important than people.

Good to know know that no people were harmed during the bombing of Dresden. Spare me London, Warsaw and Rotterdam... I was born in Leningrad. Stay tuned, May 9th is coming up...

bombing of Dresden - feb 13-15h, 1945. Operation Thunderclap. 25000 - 35000 civilian casualies.

some reading for you http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/...significance.-Why-did-we-burn-its-people.html

 

Do you believe that or is it a another lost leader, for State Health Care. This is the problem with the Health Care bill Obama Care, it's a weight on everyone.

Obama's legacy.

kv

So, how does your definition of "insurance" work? Do you propose something other than a risk sharing mechanism?

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/30/...t&contentID=WhatsNext&src=recg&pgtype=article

VENICE — The Italian police announced on Thursday that they had dismantled a suspected jihadist cell whose members had discussed blowing up the Rialto Bridge, one of the top tourist attractions in Venice.

Three Kosovar men living in Italy were arrested in overnight raids, and one teenager, also from Kosovo, was held, the police said.

The police also conducted nearly a dozen raids in Venice, one in nearby Mestre on the mainland and one in Treviso.

In wiretapped conversations, the men celebrated theterrorist attack in London on March 22, in which a Briton mowed down pedestrians, killing three of them, and then fatally stabbed a police officer outside Parliament. They expressed their readiness to carry out a similar slaughter here.

One of the suspects, Arjan Babaj, was described by investigators as the chief recruiter and spiritual leader of the group. In one exchange disclosed by the police on Thursday, he said, “If tomorrow I take the oath and I get the order, I will be forced to kill them.”

His interlocutor, the teenager, responded, “With Venice, you immediately gain paradise because of all the infidels here.” His name was not made public because he is a minor. He spoke of putting “a bomb” at the “Rialto Bridge.”

Photo

From left: Arjan Babaj, Fisnik Bekaj and Dake Haziraj, the three Kosovars arrested in Venice.CreditItalian Police and Carabinieri/ANSA, via Associated Press

 

Once again: All terrorists are Moslems; but not all Moslems are terrorists!