So many lucky people.
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/9/12/a-visual-historyofpalestinianrefugees.html

No kidding.

 

They didn't like or love us before we bombed ISIS among them them to stop a crazy death cult called ISIS that was trained and armed by Hillary Clinton and President Obama as a CIA proxy army to defeat Syria's Assad in cities before the attacked cities like Mosul.
What's love got to do with it?

Muslims killing Muslims by slitting their throats like pigs.
Or herding the locals into holes for a easy kill.

Many of the ISIS terrorists were initially trained by the CIA in Jordan in 2012 to destabilize the Syrian government under the Obama administration. The previous administration hated Assad so much they were willing to let a herd of criminal crazies lose on Syria to undermine the Assad government and to end Russia influence in the area. Feel the love?

They didn't like or love us before we bombed ISIS among them them to stop a crazy death cult called ISIS that was trained and armed by Hillary Clinton and President Obama as a CIA proxy army to defeat Syria's Assad in cities before the attacked cities like Mosul.
What's love got to do with it?

Muslims killing Muslims by slitting their throats like pigs.
Or herding the locals into holes for a easy kill.

Many of the ISIS terrorists were initially trained by the CIA in Jordan in 2012 to destabilize the Syrian government under the Obama administration. The previous administration hated Assad so much they were willing to let a herd of criminal crazies lose on Syria to undermine the Assad government and to end Russia influence in the area. Feel the love?

Yep, hard to find anybody in Syria to fight our war.
But it's a little more complicated than that:
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/10/how-isis-started-syria-iraq/412042/
But it does pretty much come down to One misguided war.

 

No kidding.

And this was the Palestinian's fault how?

 

And this was the Palestinian's fault how?

I'm not saying it's the Palestinian's fault. The Jews were allowed (with a lot of prodding) to kick the Palestinian's out to form a Jewish state by the world powers after WW2. The worlds nation state compact with Israel has a lot more history than just Palestinian's being mistreated or displaced.

 

Yep, hard to find anybody in Syria to fight our war.
But it's a little more complicated than that:
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/10/how-isis-started-syria-iraq/412042/
But it does pretty much come down to One misguided war.

I read and posted that ages ago in the closed ISIS thread.

It's very simple, The Obama administration wanted Russia out of Syria and the key to do that was to eliminate Assad. The CIA was directed to make it happen.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/27/...supplied-black-market-officials-say.html?_r=0
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...f954070f2be_story.html?utm_term=.20c6e5d62840
http://www.australiannationalreview.com/isis-members-trained-cia/

One year later, The Guardian wrote that U.S. trainers were helping Syrian rebels in Jordan, alongside British and French instructors. Newly declassified U.S. intelligence documents have revealed that the United States and some of its allies had both foreseen and facilitated the rise of Islamic State in Syria as a counterweight to President Bashar al-Assad’s government. Government watchdog group Judicial Watch published over 100 pages of formerly-classified documents from the U.S. Department of Defence and the State Department obtained through a federal lawsuit.

One of the Defence Intelligence Agency (DIA) documents showed that the West, Turkey and Persian Gulf countries examined the prospect of forming a declared or undeclared Salafist province in eastern Syria to disrupt their tactics in the region. The DIA report [formerly classified and dated August 12, 2012] said that this was what the collateral powers to the [Syrian] opposition wanted, “in order to isolate the Syrian regime.” The intelligence warned that any further downturn of the Syrian conflict would have “dire consequences” on Iraq and would generate the “ideal atmosphere” for al-Qaeda to stage a comeback in Mosul and Ramadi.

The report also warned that ISIS could declare a state through the union with other terrorist organisations. This document is the highest-level internal U.S. intelligence confirmation that Islamic State terror group is considered –by Western governments- a strategic asset toward “regime change” in Syria.

The documents obtained through a federal lawsuit confirmed suspicion that ISIS members were initially trained by the Central Intelligence Agency’s members and contractors at facilities in Jordan in 2012. The contents have been promulgated by the Obama administration to the CIA, FBI, the U.S. Central Command, the Department of Homeland Security along with its directorates, the State Department and other related agencies.

 

I'm not saying it's the Palestinian's fault. The Jews were allowed (with a lot of prodding) to kick the Palestinian's out to form a Jewish state by the world powers after WW2. The worlds nation state compact with Israel has a lot more history than just Palestinian's being mistreated or displaced.

It's always easier to give away someone else's land.

 

It's always easier to give away someone else's land.

The Europeans didn't want a Jewish state in Europe after the war and the Americans didn't want too many Jews here either so that made it much easier.

 

I read and posted that ages ago in the closed ISIS thread.

It's very simple, The Obama administration wanted Russia out of Syria and the key to do that was to eliminate Assad. The CIA was directed to make it happen.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/27/...supplied-black-market-officials-say.html?_r=0
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...f954070f2be_story.html?utm_term=.20c6e5d62840
http://www.australiannationalreview.com/isis-members-trained-cia/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Syria

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Syria

Your BS authority is Wikipedia. What a joke.

https://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n01/seymour-m-hersh/military-to-military

Military to Military
Seymour M. Hersh on US intelligence sharing in the Syrian war


Barack Obama’s repeated insistence that Bashar al-Assad must leave office – and that there are ‘moderate’ rebel groups in Syria capable of defeating him – has in recent years provoked quiet dissent, and even overt opposition, among some of the most senior officers on the Pentagon’s Joint Staff. Their criticism has focused on what they see as the administration’s fixation on Assad’s primary ally, Vladimir Putin. In their view, Obama is captive to Cold War thinking about Russia and China, and hasn’t adjusted his stance on Syria to the fact both countries share Washington’s anxiety about the spread of terrorism in and beyond Syria; like Washington, they believe that Islamic State must be stopped.

The military’s resistance dates back to the summer of 2013, when a highly classified assessment, put together by the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff, then led by General Martin Dempsey, forecast that the fall of the Assad regime would lead to chaos and, potentially, to Syria’s takeover by jihadi extremists, much as was then happening in Libya. A former senior adviser to the Joint Chiefs told me that the document was an ‘all-source’ appraisal, drawing on information from signals, satellite and human intelligence, and took a dim view of the Obama administration’s insistence on continuing to finance and arm the so-called moderate rebel groups. By then, the CIA had been conspiring for more than a year with allies in the UK, Saudi Arabia and Qatar to ship guns and goods – to be used for the overthrow of Assad – from Libya, via Turkey, into Syria. The new intelligence estimate singled out Turkey as a major impediment to Obama’s Syria policy. The document showed, the adviser said, ‘that what was started as a covert US programme to arm and support the moderate rebels fighting Assad had been co-opted by Turkey, and had morphed into an across-the-board technical, arms and logistical programme for all of the opposition, including Jabhat al-Nusra and Islamic State. The so-called moderates had evaporated and the Free Syrian Army was a rump group stationed at an airbase in Turkey.’ The assessment was bleak: there was no viable ‘moderate’ opposition to Assad, and the US was arming extremists.

Lieutenant General Michael Flynn, director of the DIA between 2012 and 2014, confirmed that his agency had sent a constant stream of classified warnings to the civilian leadership about the dire consequences of toppling Assad. The jihadists, he said, were in control of the opposition. Turkey wasn’t doing enough to stop the smuggling of foreign fighters and weapons across the border. ‘If the American public saw the intelligence we were producing daily, at the most sensitive level, they would go ballistic,’ Flynn told me. ‘We understood Isis’s long-term strategy and its campaign plans, and we also discussed the fact that Turkey was looking the other way when it came to the growth of the Islamic State inside Syria.’ The DIA’s reporting, he said, ‘got enormous pushback’ from the Obama administration. ‘I felt that they did not want to hear the truth.’

This is why Flynn had a target on his back.

 

Okay, Now that the Trump care bill is out of the way...
What do you guys think about Medicare lite. Opening up Medicare to uncovered people 55 to 65.
My rational for this is that Medicare sets prices and thus pays less for care and does not have the overhead and profit associated with private insurance. This should lower the price (I think) for the younger people on ACA.

 

Your BS authority is Wikipedia. What a joke.

https://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n01/seymour-m-hersh/military-to-military


This is why Flynn had a target on his back.

http://www.vox.com/2015/12/21/10634002/seymour-hersh-syria-joint-chiefs

 

Okay, Now that the Trump care bill is out of the way...
What do you guys think about Medicare lite. Opening up Medicare to uncovered people 55 to 65.
My rational for this is that Medicare sets prices and thus pays less for care and does not have the overhead and profit associated with private insurance. This should lower the price (I think) for the younger people on ACA.

Do you believe that or is it a another lost leader, for State Health Care. This is the problem with the Health Care bill Obama Care, it's a weight on everyone.

Obama's legacy.

kv

 

hey man.......why not just have every heath care provider send the bill to the US treasury.

Why bother with any middle man. Why don't we all just send our bills to the US treasury.

We're all responsible for everyone....right? How bout this.......I promise to pay all of your bills.......if you promise to pay all of mine.......ok?

How do you think that would work out?

Makes a lot of sense........don't you think?

 

http://www.vox.com/2015/12/21/10634002/seymour-hersh-syria-joint-chiefs

Really, VOX? That's your source! You jumped from hogs slop to dog crap.

Are you saying the CIA did not train rebels in Jordan or arm the Syrian resistance in an effort to remove Assad? Are you saying those same rebels did not join ISIS and other terrorist groups now killing people in Iraq?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...82f8395c032_story.html?utm_term=.95bc18a9b9c9

Key lawmakers have moved to slash funding of a secret CIA operation to train and arm rebels in Syria, a move that U.S. officials said reflects rising skepticism of the effectiveness of the agency program and the Obama administration’s strategy in the Middle East.

The House Intelligence Committee recently voted unanimously to cut as much as 20 percent of the classified funds flowing into a CIA program that U.S. officials said has become one the agency’s largest covert operations, with a budget approaching $1 billion a year.

“There is a great deal of concern on a very bipartisan basis with our strategy in Syria,” said Rep. Adam B. Schiff (Calif.), the ranking Democrat on the intelligence panel. He declined to comment on specific provisions of the committee’s bill but cited growing pessimism that the United States will be in a position “to help shape the aftermath” of Syria’s civil war.

Notice the name here: Rep. Adam B. Schiff (Calif.), the ranking Democrat on the intelligence panel

At $1 billion, Syria-related operations account for about $1 of every $15 in the CIA’s overall budget, judging by spending levels revealed in documents The Washington Post obtained from former U.S. intelligence contractor Edward Snowden.


U.S. officials said the CIA has trained and equipped nearly 10,000 fighters sent into Syria over the past several years — meaning that the agency is spending roughly $100,000 per year for every anti-Assad rebel who has gone through the program.

Much of the CIA’s money goes toward running secret training camps in Jordan, gathering intelligence to help guide the operations of agency-backed militias and managing a sprawling logistics network used to move fighters, ammunition and weapons into the country.

Given the choice of what's known today on the record and released classified documents (facts not conspiracy) about the history of the US involvement in Syria vs a VOX hit piece. VOX is a joke too.

http://fair.org/home/down-the-memory-hole-nyt-erases-cias-efforts-to-overthrow-syrias-government/

FAIR has noted before how America’s well-documented clandestine activities in Syria have been routinely ignored when the corporate media discuss the Obama administration’s “hands-off” approach to the four-and-a-half-year-long conflict. This past week, two pieces—one in the New York Timesdetailing the “finger pointing” over Obama’s “failed” Syria policy, and a Vox “explainer” of the Syrian civil war—did one better: They didn’t just omit the fact that the CIA has been arming, training and funding rebels since 2012, they heavily implied they had never done so.

First, let’s establish what we do know. Based on multiple reports over the past three-and-a-half years, we know that the Central Intelligence Agency set up a secret program of arming, funding and training anti-Assad forces. This has been reported by major outlets, including the New York Times, The Guardian, Der Spiegel and, most recently, the Washington Post, which—partly thanks to the Snowden revelations—detailed a program that trained approximately 10,000 rebel fighters at a cost of $1 billion a year, or roughly 1/15th of the CIA’s official annual budget.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...&gwh=F7F38F8451200F7D98DA0C21F94C9527&gwt=pay

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/25/w...&gwh=51013DD83C35316B576D87F74E2F0788&gwt=pay

 

"Andrew Neil branded 'Churchillian' after incredible monologue on London attack"

 

hey man.......why not just have every heath care provider send the bill to the US treasury.

Why bother with any middle man. Why don't we all just send our bills to the US treasury.

We're all responsible for everyone....right? How bout this.......I promise to pay all of your bills.......if you promise to pay all of mine.......ok?

How do you think that would work out?

Makes a lot of sense........don't you think?

Where did I ask you to pay for anything? Your already paying for ACA (maybe, but I doubt it).
I realize the scab may not be healed over very well yet, but the President ask for ideas. So here you go.
Medicare gets paid by the guy getting insured - not by you.
He already needs to buy it so this just saves him some money.
Medicare is very efficient compared to private insurance companies.
Medicare payout for the same service is less than Private insurance.
Don't just make noise. What's wrong with it?
@killivolt ?
Edit: Forgot to add Medicare is also much better insurance that ACA. None of those pesky deductible problems.
Biggest problem I see is people might live longer.

 

Really, VOX? That's your source! You jumped from hogs slop to dog crap.

Are you saying the CIA did not train rebels in Jordan or arm the Syrian resistance in an effort to remove Assad? Are you saying those same rebels did not join ISIS and other terrorist groups now killing people in Iraq?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...82f8395c032_story.html?utm_term=.95bc18a9b9c9


Notice the name here: Rep. Adam B. Schiff (Calif.), the ranking Democrat on the intelligence panel


Given the choice of what's known today on the record and released classified documents (facts not conspiracy) about the history of the US involvement in Syria vs a VOX hit piece. VOX is a joke too.

http://fair.org/home/down-the-memory-hole-nyt-erases-cias-efforts-to-overthrow-syrias-government/

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...&gwh=F7F38F8451200F7D98DA0C21F94C9527&gwt=pay

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/25/w...&gwh=51013DD83C35316B576D87F74E2F0788&gwt=pay

They are all a joke. The CIA couldn't find anybody they could trust, so they wasted a lot of money.

 

@ronv

 

@ronv

Consult with your doctor about medicare .... I know plenty of doctors who don't like Medicare because of their payments. P.S. Your copay was 20 percent and moving up to 30 percent of the bill.

Do you read your bills and see if you received all the services the government paid for?

Yeah, no more deductible to meet.

 

@ronv

Consult with your doctor about medicare .... I know plenty of doctors who don't like Medicare because of their payments. P.S. Your copay was 20 percent and moving up to 30 percent of the bill.

Do you read your bills and see if you received all the services the government paid for?

Yeah, no more deductible to meet.

Actually I have talked to my Dr. about Medicare and health care in general. He's grumpy about the whole thing.
I kind of like him that way. As a primary care Dr. he makes $150K a year. What do you think? To high, to low?
I have an advantage plan so I have a $5 copay for his services, $45 for a specialist.
I don't get a bill from him only from the insurance company.
I'm lucky, never been real sick, but I picked this plan to keep my yearly out of pocket to about$6K.
I retired early so I can tell you that private insurance was no joy for a 59 year old before the ACA either.
Do you have regular Medicare? How does it compare?