Sure, but we broke it real good.
Ever wonder what would happen if we did a flip and decided to support ISIS?

What do you mean flip?
http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-con...12-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf

AQI == al-Qaida in Iraq (which became Isis)
There was no al-Qaida in Iraq until the US and Britain invaded so while we didn't create or support ISIS we plowed the ground and fertilized it so ISIS could grow and only really got bent when Isis started beheading westerners and posting atrocities online. Western military interventions in the Middle East have been disasters for all involved. I would say this.

You and yours stay in your land and we stay in ours,

 

What do you mean flip?
http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-con...12-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf

AQI == al-Qaida in Iraq (which became Isis)
There was no al-Qaida in Iraq until the US and Britain invaded so while we didn't create or support ISIS we plowed the ground and fertilized it so ISIS could grow and only really got bent when Isis started beheading westerners and posting atrocities online. Western military interventions in the Middle East have been disasters for all involved. I would say this.

You and yours stay in your land and we stay in ours,

Yea, ISIS is maybe a misnomer. Sunni might be a better choice. I'm not saying we should do it.... but think about it as it plays out. Who will the winners be? That's what I mean about wondering.

 

Yeah, and the "terrorist" could have had assault rifles and done more harm.

Yes, isn't it so nice that we can rely on a terrorist to obey the gun laws. Now if only the U.K. would have had a law in place making it illegal to kill people with a car or a knife, this whole thing could have been avoided.

 

While I have sympathy for Israel, have you ever noticed, every time we try to build a nation it turns out badly?

So West Germany and Japan turned out badly?

 

Yea, ISIS is maybe a misnomer. Sunni might be a better choice. I'm not saying we should do it.... but think about it as it plays out. Who will the winners be? That's what I mean about wondering.

There is no mystery about what will happen. The Intel Report was five years old and was pretty close to being on target about the present day ISIS.
Give all sides 10 10MT nukes that only work deep inside Arab countries and a RED button to each ruler of the Arab country to explode them all. Let them decide who will be the winner in this sectarian war.

 

So West Germany and Japan turned out badly?

Not my words, but pretty much how I feel.
Under Bush's presidency the United States has taken responsibility for the stability and political development of two Muslim countries—Afghanistan and Iraq. A lot now rides on our ability not just to win wars but to help create self-sustaining democratic political institutions and robust market-oriented economies, and not only in these two countries but throughout the Middle East.
Pottery Barn.

 

There is no mystery about what will happen. The Intel Report was five years old and was pretty close to being on target about the present day ISIS.
Give all sides 10 10MT nukes that only work deep inside Arab countries and a RED button to each ruler of the Arab country to explode them all. Let them decide who will be the winner in this sectarian war.

Yep, I think we came out there before. But it might be interesting to do this again. Seems like the people here now are a little more militant.

 

Yep, I think we came out there before. But it might be interesting to do this again. Seems like the people here now are a little more militant.
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While in your death count where does that leave Israel ? Pushed into the sea or worse yet Obliterated.

kv

 

While in your death count where does that leave Israel ? Pushed into the sea or worse yet Obliterated.

kv

Israel may be in more trouble with the defeat of ISIL (Sunni) and the ascension of the Shiites (Iran). Remember Iran is fighting in Iraq and Syria.

 

Israel may be in more trouble with the defeat of ISIL (Sunni) and the ascension of the Shiites (Iran). Remember Iran is fighting in Iraq and Syria.

I'm not worried about Israel, they have a red button and bombs that work in Arab countries.

 

So West Germany and Japan turned out badly?

Its an interesting note that for some types of people (countries too) a good hard beat down they don't just get up and walk away from delivered by the very people they were bullying or whatever is what helps them become good productive members of society later on.

I have to admit I have a few older associates and buddies who have nothing good to say about who they were in their younger days that fully admit that the day they got knocked on their ass so hard it either landed them in a hospital or nearly did where what made them start to think about their actions and become the good people I know them as now.

Growing up my brother was very much like that. All the way up until somewhere near the end of high school (I was in college by then) when, as I understand it, his mouth finally shot off to the wrong persons once too far and he finally got the living shit kicked out of him for it to where the idea of think first speak last sunk in deep enough to stay. Now some 20+ years later he's a pretty decent guy I consider to be as much a friend as family now.

Historically I very much see that in what drove Germany and Japan and other countries through history to become what they are now in the world stage. Not perfect but a hell of a lot better than who they once were.

 

I'm not worried about Israel, they have a red button and bombs that work in Arab countries.

Thats my problem everybody has one, if not they unify. Either way it's bad for Israel.

kv

 

Thats my problem everybody has one, if not they unify. Either way it's bad for Israel.

kv

What's bad for Israel is suicide for the attacker. Israel is the only liberal democracy in the Middle East and North Africa. The USA will not let it be crushed.

 

What's bad for Israel is suicide for the attacker. Israel is the only liberal democracy in the Middle East and North Africa. The USA will not let it be crushed.

Agreed, ace in the hole for global conflict in the Middle East and we hand it to them.

kv

Edit e.g. They want to push it to the limit, they don't care who dies. Even to the end of the world.
They justify it.

Edit: The U.S. will defend them to the bitter end.

 

Thats my problem everybody has one, if not they unify. Either way it's bad for Israel.

kv

Ron, I know you "liked" my post but, it's not what you think. I mean if the Muslims unite it's going to be bad for everyone, I see their ideology spreading over the world in ways we can't imagine.


kv

Edit: If you remove it I understand.

 

What's bad for Israel is suicide for the attacker. Israel is the only liberal democracy in the Middle East and North Africa. The USA will not let it be crushed.

That's kind of how it used to work. But now days you might be hard pressed to decide who to nuke.

 

Ron, I know you "liked" my post but, it's not what you think. I mean if the Muslims unite it's going to be bad for everyone, I see their ideology spreading over the world in ways we can't imagine.


kv

Edit: If yo remove it I understand.

No problem. I understand now.
Here is my 2 cents. A lot of Muslims don't like us much and it's probably getting worse. That's why I think we should let them fight it out amonst themselves for a while. Things were pretty much in balance before Iraq. We can't expect them to like us when we keep trying to bomb them back into the stone age.
I have a friend in Pakistan. His opinion is they just want us to leave them alone. He calls himself a regular Muslim. He is not fond of the Taliban, but is happy as long as they a bottled up.

 

That's kind of how it used to work. But now days you might be hard pressed to decide who to nuke.

I think it's pretty easy to decide if Israel was attacked with WMD because they would not have asked our permission to launch on the attacker if gas had been used with scuds on Israel during GW#1. They played the sitting duck (while on a full nuclear alert) to keep the Arab coalition (including Syria who hated other Arabs more than Israel) intact but nothing would have stopped them from using their own WMD (tactical nuclear weapons) in response to a Iraq WMD (for sure or heavy casualties maybe) attack unless we did it for them.

I remember the Israelis warning that anyone who attacked them may not live to regret it.

 

I think it's pretty easy to decide if Israel was attacked with WMD because they would not have asked our permission to launch on the attacker if gas had been used with scuds on Israel during GW#1. They played the sitting duck (while on a full nuclear alert) to keep the Arab coalition (including Syria who hated other Arabs more than Israel) intact but nothing would have stopped them from using their own WMD (tactical nuclear weapons) in response to a Iraq WMD (for sure or heavy casualties maybe) attack unless we did it for them.

I remember the Israelis warning that anyone who attacked them may not live to regret it.

Once again I don't have an agree button, so you'll have to see my words. My apologies now, there in lay a problem, they are an issue with all Muslims, you have this little country who claim they took it from them but history sees them as nomads who don't deserve the right to have any claim to land. This battle is fought for Centuries with no resolve, however given to them by God to defend to the end.

The United States will also back their claim and their posture.

kv

 

I think it's pretty easy to decide if Israel was attacked with WMD because they would not have asked our permission to launch on the attacker if gas had been used with scuds on Israel during GW#1. They played the sitting duck (while on a full nuclear alert) to keep the Arab coalition (including Syria who hated other Arabs more than Israel) intact but nothing would have stopped them from using their own WMD (tactical nuclear weapons) in response to a Iraq WMD (for sure or heavy casualties maybe) attack unless we did it for them.

I remember the Israelis warning that anyone who attacked them may not live to regret it.

Well, we are coming up on 70 years now for the latest Israel. Maybe it better than it was.
But KV is right on this one. It ain't going away anytime soon.