Now now, do not be to cocky now. The romours has it that Maccnut one morning slip on his bathroom floor. And hit his head in the sink. Then he woke up he had the mcnutt motor in his head (imprinted so to speak he passed out on the gully). That was for about 10 years ago. Macnutt has not become stinking rich yet. BUT that day will come. And then you will have humble pie for breakfast, lunch, dinner

Um, I think you're talking about Doc. Brown on Back to the Future, and the Time-Flux capacitor

and i wast really being cocky, when i asked you how it worked it was a serious question, it seemed plausible to me, but I'm skeptical of this stuff.

 

Anytime you see movement with no visible form of power it is time to hang on to your wallet, and be very suspicious. Especially when presented with a claim that there was no power input.

 

All those factual experiments proved that a permanent magnet, like that speaker magnet, would just lock the disk, which, of course, was no surprise.

Well, I have solved that problem and I think I'm going to be rich!! Attached you will find the cure for replacing the speaker magnet with a pulsed electromagnet, that's.... uh...yes, self sustaining.

BTW: I think I have too much time on my hands. I mean it took a some time to draw this dopey thing!

 

GENIUS

Hey, what would happen if you made a magnetic coil out of a superconductor??
a current could be maintained indefinitely in a loop, could something theoretically remain spinning indefinitely? obviously not practically, since theres friction and such, and you would never be able to apply a load, but theoretically???

by remain spinning, i mean power itself with the exact same amount of energy in as out.

 

GENIUS

Hey, what would happen if you made a magnetic coil out of a superconductor??
a current could be maintained indefinitely in a loop, could something theoretically remain spinning indefinitely? obviously not practically, since theres friction and such, and you would never be able to apply a load, but theoretically???

by remain spinning, i mean power itself with the exact same amount of energy in as out.

The short answer is No.

 

The short answer is No.

this is what they would have said if you asked them 100 years ago if it would be possible to have a conductor with zero resistance

 

We all know that laboratories have achieved super conductivity. so I have a few questions for you.

(1) How much power do you think was expended bringing the conductor down to the temperatures required to do that?

Man does not create energy. Rather, we change it from one form to another.

(2) How does superconductivity relate to the over unity argument?

Are you under the impression that man creates energy? I see you have a Tesla avatar, which is a red flag in a thread like this.

 

All those factual experiments proved that a permanent magnet, like that speaker magnet, would just lock the disk, which, of course, was no surprise.

Well, I have solved that problem and I think I'm going to be rich!! Attached you will find the cure for replacing the speaker magnet with a pulsed electromagnet, that's.... uh...yes, self sustaining.

BTW: I think I have too much time on my hands. I mean it took a some time to draw this dopey thing!

The sad part is that if you glitzed it up a bit and put up a website with a youtube video, you'd make millions.

 

The sad part is that if you glitzed it up a bit and put up a website with a youtube video, you'd make millions.

If you really want to make yourself ill think about this. The current administration is so obsessed with "Alternative - Renewable" energy that I cringe when thinking about how many multi-million dollar grants that have been dealt out willy nilly to every crackpot that came down the pike! Add to that the large mega companies that probably have huge grants but spend most of the cash on commercials telling us how they're working to secure the planet's future. I particularly loath the youngsters (heads full of mush) telling adults to "Get on board and think GREEN"!

To date, the lamest idea that's been fostered upon us is burning our food supply in the form of ethanol!

 

It's enough to drive a man to drink!

 

Ha, I didn't know I needed a reason for that.

 

We all know that laboratories have achieved super conductivity. so I have a few questions for you.

(1) How much power do you think was expended bringing the conductor down to the temperatures required to do that?

Man does not create energy. Rather, we change it from one form to another.

A LOT, I know this, I never said it could ever be useful
and I am aware of this, I'm no over-unity nutjob.

(2) How does superconductivity relate to the over unity argument?

I wasn't talking bout over-unity, over-unity is ridiculous, I'm well aware of the second law of thermodynamics

And if we can eliminate resistance, its possible that there might be some way to eliminate other losses, (NOT OVER-UNITY, just maybe possibly some type of normal unity, or at least almost normal (yes, the system must have no output or drag or load of any type))[/QUOTE]

Are you under the impression that man creates energy?

NO!! you must have misunderstood me

I see you have a Tesla avatar, which is a red flag in a thread like this.

Well, I like Tesla. But as you said, hes part genius, part nutjob. I still prefer him over Edison, who only did something if he could make money off it, Tesla was more into the straight up science... which is why he didn't do very many useful things. The only one I can think of is three-phase.

I just like Tesla coils and such

Was Tesla involved in over-unity or perpetual motion? If he was I don't know about it, but i don't know a whole lot about him. I know he wanted to use the ionosphere and ground as capacitor plates to supply wireless electricity, I really wonder if that would have worked if that tower was ever finished...

 

Tesla was not involved in overunity at all, but a lot of scammers love to hitch their star to his. A lot of his science has not be recreated, thereby justifying some of the most outrageous claims you can imagine. The earthquake machine, for example, has not been duplicated, as well as the wireless transmission of electricity over long distances. I suspect the latter was for real, but I also suspect that if it were duplicated properly it would be quickly shut down, we are using the spectrum for other, more important things.

The science he did that can be recreated is extremely impressive, and more than justifies classing him as a genius of the first magnitude. The transformer, for all its simplicity, is one of the most efficient devices ever invented by man.

I suspect Tesla, if he were alive, would be beating these guys soundly with a stick, mentally and physically, for using his name in such a cavalier manner. He was a scientist and a human, which meant he could be wrong occasionally. That diminishes my respect for him not the least.

Most societies tend to abuse their geniuses terribly. I would rate the USA a probably among the worst over the turn of last century, and probably still today. Intellectual property belongs to those with the bucks, not the ones with the ideas. Research what happened to Edwin Armstrong. Both were high level thinkers, and were thoroughly screwed out of most of their best ideas.

 

Most societies tend to abuse their geniuses terribly. I would rate the USA a probably among the worst over the turn of last century, and probably still today. Intellectual property belongs to those with the bucks, not the ones with the ideas. Research what happened to Edwin Armstrong. Both were high level thinkers, and were thoroughly screwed out of most of their best ideas.

I agree on the former. You don't get your name on a building or university for being a nice guy.

As for protection of intellectual property, I think the US is among the best. We suffer from the endless argument of whose property it really is. But I would rather have the opportunity for argument than to have the decision made by a politician. Unfortunately, no one has figured out how to separate money from that that equation. If you do figure out how to do that, don't tell anyone. You will be silenced permanently, if you do.

John

 

Magnet18, may I be so bold as to ask you your age? I'm afraid it's pertinent to this discussion because age has great bearing on current attitudes.

 

Research what happened to Edwin Armstrong.

Don't have to. It was a travesty that dragged out in the courts until the 1960s whence, after winning the case, he committed suicide.

 

If the patent system actually worked as advertised it wouldn't be a problem. That discussion has been rehashed many times here, so I don't think it will help to do it again.

Sad part is, if the politicians could pull their noses out of the trough long enough to recognize that inventors could be more productive if they got 0.01% (or whatever) to fund their research it would benefit everyone. Instead it goes into many a CEO's paycheck as pocket change.

<pant pant> rant over.

Mr. Armstrong died in 1954. I don't think he got to see the resolution. It went to his wife.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Armstrong

 

@Bill, I agree wholeheartedly!
although while the US is bad about intellectual property, were one of the best by comparison to other countries... doesn't mean were good though.

@CDRIVE, you may be so bold, and i will refer you to my profile where it states highschool

However, if you think I'm one of the tree-hugging "save the planet-go green" students, you're sorely mistaken, I'm all for solar and wind, but theres no reason to try to stop coal and oil. I honestly think if we switch to anything it should be nuclear
Thorium??

 

Sad part is, if the politicians could pull their noses out of the trough long enough to recognize that inventors could be more productive if they got 0.01% (or whatever) to fund their research it would benefit everyone. Instead it goes into many a CEO's paycheck as pocket change.

Actually, if the work is federally funded, the inventor is guaranteed a significant cut. I don't recall exactly what it was, but it was at least 20%.

If it is entirely privately funded, then the cut is determined by contract. If a genius agrees to nothing, he deserves what he gets. I believe it is part of the 16th amendment regarding contracts. But surely, common sense tells us that one should be free to enter into a contract and be bound by its conditions.

John

 

@CDRIVE, you may be so bold, and i will refer you to my profile where it states highschool

However, if you think I'm one of the tree-hugging "save the planet-go green" students, you're sorely mistaken,

No insult intended, I have a grandson about to graduate high school. It's just that somewhere along the road of American history it became a negative to be successful, which to me, is totally un-American. Edison came from grass roots and those that lived during his productive years loved the man. Do you realize that prior to Thomas Edison, an emergency appendectomy after sunset meant almost certain death? I have absolutely no problem with T.E. dying a very rich man. He lived the American dream and fulfilled it 10,000 times over. Hey, Tommy wasn't an idiot. He knew damn well that AC power was going knock DC (as a distributed power source) out of the box. He also knew that he, and all his investors had all their money in his DC basket.

There's much more I could say about the genius that Thomas Edison was, but the generation that lived it with him could say it better than I ever could.