MaxHeadRoom
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The reputable cube relay manufacturers I have used in the past, where there is either, or both a BEMF diode and/or a LED indicator internal, display this on the cover with a small diagram.
Never having tried this I thought I'd run a simulation....And as for the slower slew rate, just increasing the switching time to one millisecond instead of one microsecond should be enough, and for any application driving a small relay the heat generation will not be an issue. And it may only require selecting a slower transistor or possibly adding a small (0.001mfd) capacitor, base to emitter. Since most relay response times are over TEN milliseconds chatter should not be an issue.



Way back when, some relay manufacturer (I don't remember who) added a shorted coil with a high resistance, wound on the same core as the relay coil winding.So there are some interesting ways to eliminate that spike, or at least to reduce it to a trivial level, without using any suppression diode or shunt device across the coil.
Shading coil is typically reserved for a AC version! not needed on a DC coil.And quite a few relays also have a single-turn "shading coil" around the pole that affects the operating as well.
A diode across a relay connected backward accidentally will cause a huge amount of grief, I discovered a few years ago when the replacement relay provided by a customer had an internal diode that I was not aware of.
In this case I would think it is the responsibility of the one replacing the relay to confirm that it is equivalent and will suit the application, in the case of those that have internal BEMF diode, they coil terminals are typically marked, + & - .Agreed. Especially plug-in relays, where you think two models are equivalent, but one has a built in diode, and you have wired the panel thinking that the two coil pins are interchangeable, and put your own diodes on the relay base. Unplug the relay to test it, and it tests OK. Plug it back in and it doesn’t work. Annoying.
I know that now. A bit of a steep learning curve - "I see - so that's why this relay is marked + and - and the other one isn't."in the case of those that have internal BEMF diode, they coil terminals are typically marked, + & - .
I beg to differ. The 0.98H is the data sheet inductance as is the 278ohm series resistance I used in the simulation - else you wouldn't get the classic L/R curve or the final current of 12/278 = 43mA. Incidentally the data sheet also notes that the inductance rises to 2.7H when the armature is pulled in. I've not tried to model that (I'm not sure if you could). I chose this relay because unlike little PCB signal relays it draws appreciable current. The switching times are based on the pull-in and release currents derived from the listed pull-in and release voltages in the datasheet. AFAIK it doesnt list mechanical switchover times; I could probably measure them from an actual relay.First, a 1 henry relay coil is a whole lot more inductance than is usually present in a small relay. And the simulation transistor switches off instantly. Just examine the simulation parameters and you will see that. In addition, that simulated relay coil has zero resistance and no loses at all.
Interesting idea, and I've not come across it before. But a quick simulation shows it works quite well and the transistor losses are reduced to less than 2mW. To keep the peak voltage in check, the secondary winding needs to be around 10% of the inductance/resistance of the primary...Way back when, some relay manufacturer (I don't remember who) added a shorted coil with a high resistance, wound on the same core as the relay coil winding.
This shorted wire acted rather as a flyback winding to suppress the primary coil spike when the relay was turned off.
When the primary current suddenly stopped, the current was transferred by transformer action to the shorted suppressor winding.
The relative number of turns and the suppressor winding resistance determined how much it suppressed the spike at the primary.
Don't remember how much that was (I would guess about equal to the supply voltage).
That also reduced the turn-off time of the relay, similar to the way a Zener in series with a conventional diode would, but with no diodes or transistors to fail.
I think it may have been used on high-reliability relays for the military.
Certainly was an interesting way to perform the suppression function.
