I guess the CEO took all the money that was left, and went to Never Never land

 

You know, a panel of scientists they handpicked to jury the device couldn't bring themselves to say it worked.

For more laughs, type in bedini into youtube. It's quite amazing how many people are building flyback transformers (extremely inefficient ones at that) and calling them OU because they get more voltage out than in. lol. Yeah folks, you need to measure something called 'current' along with it. There's even one guy who is calling out mythbusters with a bicycle tire and nary a meter in sight. "It may be hard for you to wrap your mind around this". Indeed sir, indeed.

I'm all for exploring the unknown but I'm also not into self deception. We here may be the stark minority I'm afraid.

 

We should have the FED invent some batteries. You apply 10 watts to the battery and get 10,000 watts out. That would boost the economy.

Just the economy ?

 

An 109% efficient process doesn't exist. They must be neglecting (deliberately or not) some sort of energy input. Remember that any energetic process converts energy. Energy is not created, only converted. For instance, the potential chemical energy on fuel molecules is converted in heat by the process of combustion.

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For more laughs, type in bedini into youtube. It's quite amazing how many people are building flyback transformers (extremely inefficient ones at that) and calling them OU because they get more voltage out than in. lol. Yeah folks, you need to measure something called 'current' along with it. There's even one guy who is calling out mythbusters with a bicycle tire and nary a meter in sight. "It may be hard for you to wrap your mind around this". Indeed sir, indeed...

That is like someone saying that he is getting more energy form a gearbox than the one he inputs, just because it increases the rotational speed. The bad news is that it happens at the expense of torque and some of the energy is lost due to friction. LOL

 

Right. We just had someone post something about the "MEG", which is really only a step up transformer. I think there is a permanent magnet inserted somewhere that is supposed to have some magical effect on the output.

A meter does show that the output voltage is greater than the input, but the promoter never shows that the output current is proportionally smaller. It does seem to impress the credulous, though.

 

An 109% efficient process doesn't exist.

I know this, you know this, my dog knows this, my cat knows this.....

But my point is they have a government certification of 109%

In some ways it's a bit like the american amplifier industry scam methods of measuring output power (Music Power)

Or the AMD method of measuring clock speed (actual speed =1800 Mhz 'effective speed ' = 2500 Mhz so the chip is labelled 2500+)

What is the world coming to?

 

Marketing rules, unfortunately.

One of my all time favorite writers wrote of a state legislature voting to make pi equal 3, to simplify it. It was fiction, but all too based on real possibility.

 

What is the world coming to?

I don't know, but I don't like it either. It seems that most certification organizations are corrupted and ready to certificate such claims. For instance, ISO just accepted M$ OOXML broken standard as a standard, when it is clear that it doesn't respect most rules applying to ISO standards. For example, the date format used by OOXML does not comply with the ISO standards.

Politicians should stick to politics. They don't know the first thing about science nor they ever will.

Marketing rules, unfortunately.

One of my all time favorite writers wrote of a state legislature voting to make pi equal 3, to simplify it. It was fiction, but all too based on real possibility.

That would be the total chaos!

Those guys trying to oversimplify science, discarding useful knowledge in their path, should be banned from studying science. Those guys are more dangerous than the "overunity" guys. They might start a war with their blasphemy. PI is the most universal number that exists, besides two other constants. It does not depend if it is in incher or in mm. PI will be always 3.14158... no matter what. So, to all politicians and lawyers out there, if you want to simplify it, use PI as 3 in your own calculations and leave others alone!

 

Yeah, it's stupid, but then, so are some politicians. They also tend to get an over inflated opinion of their place in world. That 109% efficient water heater is a good example of that. People with any education know better, and would continue on the correct way.

Remember it was fiction though. It was a statement about his (Robert Heinlein's) opinion of some state legislatures. If science is not your strong point, there is always politics.

 

Reminds me of a student I once had.

The class was to conduct an experiment to demonstrate what a calorie of energy was. They were to take 100cc of water from a specific container, measure its starting temperature, then heat it via a small resistive element immersed in the water until its temperature had increased 1 degree C and measure the time it took, the voltage across the element and the current going through it. Then calculate the amount of energy in calories put into the water from V x A x t x 4.2.

The expected results were 103 +/- 2 calories due to heat lost to the air as the experiment was conducted in a glass beaker. This was one of the reasons why they had to get the water from a specific container, which was filled days earlier and allowed to settle at room temperature.

However, one of the first students to complete the experiment reported that it took only 86 calories! When questioned about his method everything seemed to be in order. It wasn’t until I looked at this notes I saw the answer. He recorded the starting temperature at something like 7 degrees C. The room was around 22 degrees, as was the water everyone else used. Apparently he thought waiting in the line-up for the water container was too onerous and decided to use water from the drinking fountain in the hall outside the classroom. Very clever!!

Maybe he now works for Andrews Water Heaters.

 

Politicians should stick to politics. They don't know the first thing about science nor they ever will.

Mrs Thatcher is an Honours Chemistry graduate (would be Cum Laude in the States)

 

Didn't you hear? Steorn demonstraighted over unity: http://www.steorn.com/ see the "Proving overunity" demo

Interesting that scammers are still peddling magnetic motors. I thought this died out in the 70's.

 

Didn't you hear? Steorn demonstraighted over unity: http://www.steorn.com/ see the "Proving overunity" demo

Interesting that scammers are still peddling magnetic motors. I thought this died out in the 70's.

People also tend to forget. This type of scam will come and go cycles. Steorn will be forgotten soon, then the cash dries out. Then perhaps in 10 year a new "inventor" will present the final solution once more

 

I suspect the whole thing goes in cycles, as old ideas are recycled and made "new and improved, just invented". Meanwhile the scammers succeed in getting money.

In a way it really is something for nothing.

 

So, there is overunity..financially. Steorn puts nothing in, and gets a whoLE LOT out.

Wow, they were right all along.

 

So, there is overunity..financially. Steorn puts nothing in, and gets a whoLE LOT out.

Wow, they were right all along.

No that is not true. The sum of money is always conserved. So if the persons behind Steorn have become more wealthy, some people must have lost some money. They probably had enough of it, so some bleeding want hurt them to much.

 

Well, in the US, more money is just printed. If you consider the dollar a watt, we end up with more than what we put in.

.....I'm kidding, by the way...

 

Politicians, again.

 

Thanks for removing my posts, even though I backed them up with the proof you say your site requires. Your site is obviously only interested in current technology and not in helping aid in future technologies. I will make sure to post your site some bad reviews on the other forums and engineering sites I belong to and let my colleagues know your sites position.

 

Thanks for removing my posts, even though I backed them up with the proof you say your site requires. You site is obviously only interested in current technology and not in helping aid in future technologies. I will make sure to post your site some bad reviews on the other forums and engineering sites I belong to and let my colleagues know your sites position.