Right, so incentivize. Everything doesn't have to be a dick-waving, in-your-face reminder that your freedom is a paper-thin augmentation of reality.


Right, lose their job. Not their income, their job. Have to get drug tested if you want to work for your keep. Why do these authoritarian shows of power always disproportionately effect the working person? Can't there be a way to put in place a measure that applies to everyone equally? Or if not, at least one that doesn't go straight for the nuts of the people fueling the whole economy? Maybe an incetiv.... never mind, no, that's obviously stupid. The carrot never works. Only the stick. Always the stick. All hail the stick!

Incentives worked until about 70% vaccinated. If delta didn't exist (With a R0 unchecked close to double digits) we would likely be sitting pretty right now with minimal restriction and no mandates. I managed to pull off my summer vacation right in the cases low sweet spot of few restrictions from Oregon to California, it was great but you could see the delta variant wave building into today's peaks even then. It's extremely likely another wave will happen unless we increase the levels of vaccination to get R0 below 1. The high R0 is driving the need for these mandates to reduce transmission. People are not doing this because they hate freedom and love restrictions, it's happening because the virus is forcing our hand. IMO it would negligent not to act this way.
https://academic.oup.com/jtm/advance-article/doi/10.1093/jtm/taab124/6346388
The reproductive number of the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2 is far higher compared to the ancestral SARS-CoV-2 virus

A high reproductive number also means that much higher vaccine coverage rates need to be achieved compared to the originally assumed 60–70% vaccine coverage for the ancestral strain. A reproductive number of 5 would mean that vaccine coverage rates above 80% will be needed based on the equation q = 1–1/R0, assuming a 100% vaccine efficacy. However, with decreasing vaccine effectiveness associated with the Delta variant,6 vaccine coverage rates above 90% will need to be achieved to contain Delta outbreaks. Fortunately, vaccine effectiveness against severe disease remains relatively maintained, while mild-to-moderate breakthrough infections in vaccinated persons have increased as the result of the emergence of the Delta variant.

The freedom to pretend 'You are an Island' is microscopic when the reality is macroscopic.

This is a capitalist country not a workers paradise like communism. You want to hold the stick, get the money.

 

Incentives worked until about 70% vaccinated.

What incentives?

 

What incentives?

These and others.
https://www.nga.org/center/publications/covid-19-vaccine-incentives/

COVID-19 Vaccine Incentives
Jul. 30, 2021|

• Publications

The purpose of this memo is to provide an update on state COVID-19 vaccine incentives developed to increase vaccination rates across the country. Please note that vaccination incentives are a relatively novel topic in public policy, and it is not known to what extent incentives can drive increases in vaccinations, but there are some early indications that the right incentive can help.

That's the carrot, now comes the stick.

https://www.vaccines.gov/incentives/

 

More on natural immunity instead of vaccination. The is one area where the pro-vaccine side IMO has twisted the truth for a while. The vaccine uses human immunity to defeat the virus, the response to the actual virus does the same thing if not better. Not a recommended way to get immunity but closing our eyes to the facts of natural immunity is also misinformation.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...mmunity-vaccine-mandate-exemption/8262491002/

Spectrum Health will grant temporary exemptions from its employee vaccine mandate to individuals who can prove they have naturally acquired immunity to COVID-19.

The west Michigan hospital system, which is in the process of merging with Southfield-based Beaumont Health, will grant an exemption to those who have a positive PCR or antigen test for COVID-19 plus a positive antibody test from within the past three months, the health system said in a statement Thursday.

The exemption, the first for a major health system in Michigan, was developed "as new research has emerged" on natural immunity.

"While we still recommend vaccination for people with prior COVID-19 infection, according to this new research, there is increasing evidence that natural infection affords protection from COVID-19 reinfection and severe symptoms for a period of time," the statement said. "Current studies are not clear on how long natural immunity protects from reinfection."

Research also shows it's better to get the vaccine after natural infection because for some it's a 'super' booster.

https://www.wrcbtv.com/story/447033...uman-immunity-for-some-people-against-covid19

New studies show 'superhuman immunity' for some people against COVID-19

“Superhuman immunity” or “hybrid immunity” is a new term that some scientists are using to label those who have developed a so-called bulletproof immunity to the COVID-19 virus.

Various studies show that some people are extremely immune to COVID-19 if they had the virus, recovered, and received the vaccine which is the criteria to fit into the “superhuman immunity” or “hybrid immunity” phenomenon.

Dr. William Schaffner, an Infectious Disease Specialist, who works with Vanderbilt University said this is good news and is pointing us in the right direction.

The studies show people who have “superhuman immunity” that has allowed them to produce high levels of antibodies are also likely to be immune to the variants. This includes the Delta variant, which has affected our community tremendously.

"The latest study reinforces that notion in spades. It really looks as though you can get antibodies that cover a whole variety of different variants and perhaps even new ones that haven't been created by nature yet,” said Schaffner.


One of the studies published last month by BioRXiv indicates that “superhuman immunity” can only be achieved by both forms of protection: Natural immunity and vaccine-generated immunity.

"That's why for a long time the recommendation has already been, even if you have already recovered from COVID, get vaccinated,” said Dr. Schaffner.

 

https://www.city-journal.org/good-news-from-cdc-on-delta-variant-covid-pandemic

Delta is Dying

Despite media claims that “We Can’t Turn the Corner on Covid,” the numbers of Covid-19 cases, new hospitalizations, and deaths nationwide peaked and started to decline around the beginning of September. The combination of this milestone, new findings from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention showing widespread levels of vaccination and natural immunity, and improved availability of treatments suggests that, outside of isolated pockets, Covid-19 is likely to become a diminishing health risk in the United States.

The CDC looked for evidence of prior infection or vaccination in the blood of approximately 1.5 million blood donors from around the country between July 2020 and May 2021. Based on the antibodies found in the specimens, they were able to distinguish between those who had been vaccinated and those with antibodies resulting from infection. As of the end of May, the combined vaccine and infection seroprevalence (indicating the proportion of the population with antibodies and some level of immune protection) was 83 percent for those 16 and older (children under 16 can’t donate blood). Over 20 percent had antibodies indicating an earlier infection and recovery. Based on the infection-induced seroprevalence, the researchers estimated that there were actually 2.1 infections per reported Covid-19 case.

Ending the Covid-19 pandemic doesn’t mean that the virus will be eradicated or that there will be no new cases. It means that serious illness and death resulting from infection with a virus that has likely become endemic will become rare. Our innovative, free-market economy has provided new vaccines and therapies in record time. Thanks to that, and to the undersold but important phenomenon of natural immunity, we are most of the way there.

This is why it's important to achieve high levels of vaccination NOW combined with natural immunity, to prevent another wave from happening after delta.

https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/view/3-cdc-studies-leave-little-doubt-covid-19-vaccines-work

3 CDC Studies Leave Little Doubt: COVID-19 Vaccines Work

The chances of unvaccinated individuals being hospitalized for COVID-19 are about 10 times greater than that for vaccinated individuals, and the 3 vaccines currently on the market are all effective against the delta variant, but Moderna’s is the most effective. On the heels of President Joe Biden’s announcement last night that the government will increase efforts to get hesitant Americans vaccinated, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) today carpet-bombed the country with data in 3 studies that back up Biden’s initiative.
The 3 studies were published in the CDC’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR).

Two of the studies include sections called “What are the implications for public health practice?”
For the study weighing the vaccines’ effectiveness against the delta variant the answer is: “Getting vaccinated protects against severe illness from COVID-19, including the delta variant. Monitoring COVID-19 incidence by vaccination status might provide early signals of potential changes in vaccine effectiveness that can be confirmed through robust controlled studies.”
For the study weighing the chances of hospitalization for unvaccinated individuals against vaccinated individuals the answer is: “To protect against COVID-19-related hospitalization, all eligible persons should receive COVID-19 vaccination. Additional studies are needed to understand differences in COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness across age groups.”
The study that found Moderna’s to be the most effective vaccine notes that “across all ages, VE [vaccine effectiveness] was significantly higher among Moderna vaccine recipients (95%) than among Pfizer-BioNTech (80%) or Janssen (60%) vaccine recipients.”
Collectively, the 3 vaccines were 86% effective in preventing hospitalizations. The data represent a real-world assessment of the vaccines in 32,867 patients in 187 hospitals and 221 emergency departments (EDs) and urgent care (UC) clinics across 9 states. The data were collected from June to August, “beginning on the date the delta variant accounted for >50% of sequenced isolates in each medical facility’s state,” the study states.
CDC Director Rochelle Walensky, MD, said at a White House COVID-19 briefing today that “the bottom line is this: We have the scientific tools we need to turn the corner on this pandemic. Vaccination works and will protect us from the severe complications of COVID-19.”

 

Most people can follow instructions at work and generally understand their own jobs to a level that they can anticipate a "if this happens, that will happen next" or "if this unexpected result is occurring, that is causing it". Cooks, waiters, taxi drivers, cashiers, plumbers, electricians, teachers, accounts, nurses, engineers, physicians - group of people that don't start believing the sky is not blue, or documented research that a vaccine is 90+% effective don't actually work, or field monitoring of approximately half of the adult population that have received the vaccine are no safer than the unvaccinated, or the process of transcribing the genetic information of the DNA master to RNA to messanger-RNA (mRNA) to a protein or enzyme is a myth. Instead they some how believe mRNA shuttles information from proteins to create or modify RNA and/or DNA.

Since the sky is blue, and vaccines really do prevent Covid, and vaccinated people are not growing wings or developing weird diseases or becoming sterile, mRNA strands (and mRNA vaccines) are safe and do not alter DNA.

So, how do some people get triggered to believe unbelievable stories so easily? It takes research, content creation, coordination and an audience that has been sensitized to instantly accept the most ridiculous mis-information at the drop of a hat. I think we should talk about who and how this triggering is done - who is doing the research to find the triggering techniques, running focus groups or using targeted audiences on facebook (people don't even know they are in a focus group), who is building the bots to build the momentum. Who developed the phrase, "why isn't anyone taking about,,," which seems to be the perfect setup for easily triggered people to identify and gravitate to a conspiracy theory.

So,
Why isn't anyone talking about it?

PS: Why isn't anyone talking about how RNA of the virus using its victims transcription processes to duplicate itself but everyone is talking about how a biologically impossible process of non-replicating mRNA might alter DNA.

 

There is nothing "Super" about "Super-Human-Immunity".
Almost anyone can have what is being described as "Super-Human-Immunity".

Our Foods have gotten so poor and lacking in Nutrients,
and various Poisons are becoming so prevalent in our Food and Water,
and absolute garbage is being sold with the label of "food" on it,
that most of the population is on the short-road to being dead from
any number of maladies,
the symptoms of which are merely "covered-up" by so-called "Patent-Medicines",
which usually make the individual's health even worse.

All it takes is a diligent study of nutrition.
Your Immune-System is an absolute miracle of Nature,
all You have to do is give it what it needs to work,
which is Fats, Proteins, Vitamins, Minerals, (preferably from Vegetables),
and avoiding the accumulation of Poisons in your body.

Sugar, High-Fructose-Corn-Syrup, and any form of Alcohol, are all mild Poisons,
these are most infamous for causing hundreds of thousands of deaths from Diabetes.
Grains are not much better, because they very quickly turn into Sugars when eaten.
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There is nothing "Super" about "Super-Human-Immunity".
Almost anyone can have what is being described as "Super-Human-Immunity".

Our Foods have gotten so poor and lacking in Nutrients,
and various Poisons are becoming so prevalent in our Food and Water,
and absolute garbage is being sold with the label of "food" on it,
that most of the population is on the short-road to being dead from
any number of maladies,
the symptoms of which are merely "covered-up" by so-called "Patent-Medicines",
which usually make the individual's health even worse.

All it takes is a diligent study of nutrition.
Your Immune-System is an absolute miracle of Nature,
all You have to do is give it what it needs to work,
which is Fats, Proteins, Vitamins, Minerals, (preferably from Vegetables),
and avoiding the accumulation of Poisons in your body.

Sugar, High-Fructose-Corn-Syrup, and any form of Alcohol, are all mild Poisons,
these are most infamous for causing hundreds of thousands of deaths from Diabetes.
Grains are not much better, because they very quickly turn into Sugars when eaten.
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I would add to that list excess cleanliness. How many homeless have died from COVID-19? I've not seem any statistics on this but I would guess the numbers are low. Social distancing is what everyone does with homeless people and the living outdoors with lots of fresh air keeps them 'clean' of the virus.

 

The modern anti vax movement started with Andrew Wakefield.

A man who had a patent on his own MMR vaccine (https://briandeer.com/wakefield/vaccine-patent.htm) - It seems like a conflict of interest to me.

He was caught cherry picking and falsifying data. Can you think of a reason why he would do that?

Unfortunately some people are predispose to believe every conspiracy theory they hear, so they were keen to run away with it.

It started with the thimerosal theory, but this was debunked.

Then what happened was a continuous shifting of the goalpost fallacy.

It moved to aluminium, and then later to formaldehyde.

Every time the claim is debunked, a new unsubstantiated claim is dreamed up.

 

Our Foods have gotten so poor and lacking in Nutrients,
and various Poisons are becoming so prevalent in our Food and Water,
and absolute garbage is being sold with the label of "food" on it,

What was the reason for the Spanish flu outbreak?

Too much fast food?

 

What was the reason for the Spanish flu outbreak?

Too much fast food?

Stop being reasonable.

 

I would add to that list excess cleanliness. How many homeless have died from COVID-19? I've not seem any statistics on this but I would guess the numbers are low. Social distancing is what everyone does with homeless people and the living outdoors with lots of fresh air keeps them 'clean' of the virus.

I wouldn't suspect that at all.
the average US population has suffered 0.6M dead out of 370M. About 0.2% of the population. Are you somehow able to drive by a homeless tent city snd notice that there is an equal number of people in those tent cities as there were in January 2020 and assume that less than 0.5% of their population died off .Covid?
what if 1% of them died of Covid (5x the National rate) or 5% died of Covid (20x the National rate) - how would you know? My daughter-in-law and my neighbor are both nurses at two different urban hospitals. They each commented how the "regulars" that would cycle through the ER over the years have mostly disappeared in the last year or so. "Regulars" being local homeless people that would come in with drug overdoses, diabetic coma, frostbite, and so on. The remember them being transferred from ER to a Covid ward and never seen again.

Your claim about homeless and Covid is not new - it's been circulating on Facebook for more than a year according to this debunking report.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/05/false-perception-of-covid-19s-impact-on-the-homeless/

 

I wouldn't suspect that at all.
the average US population has suffered 0.6M dead out of 370M. About 0.2% of the population. Are you somehow able to drive by a homeless tent city snd notice that there is an equal number of people in those tent cities as there were in January 2020 and assume that less than 0.5% of their population died off .Covid?
what if 1% of them died of Covid (5x the National rate) or 5% died of Covid (20x the National rate) - how would you know? My daughter-in-law and my neighbor are both nurses at two different urban hospitals. They each commented how the "regulars" that would cycle through the ER over the years have mostly disappeared in the last year or so. "Regulars" being local homeless people that would come in with drug overdoses, diabetic coma, frostbite, and so on. The remember them being transferred from ER to a Covid ward and never seen again.

Your claim about homeless and Covid is not new - it's been circulating on Facebook for more than a year according to this debunking report.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/05/false-perception-of-covid-19s-impact-on-the-homeless/

It was obviously Sarcasm about the Nutrients and Precious body fluids post above it but I guess you need to spell it out for some people just to be clear.

 

It was obviously Sarcasm about the Nutrients and Precious body fluids post above it but I guess you need to spell it out for some people just to be clear.

I thought you were one of those "excess cleanliness - too much hand washing is killing people" advocates. Another group on Facebook (I'm told) and some hack authors who self-publish books on Amazon. It's a thing - a former classmate of my wife wrote her own book on the topic (the author got a biology degree and sells herself as a microbiologist - she married a CEO and became a stay-at-home mom for years until the epidemic. Now she is a hygiene expert.

 

I thought you were one of those "excess cleanliness - too much hand washing is killing people" advocates. Another group on Facebook (I'm told) and some hack authors who self-publish books on Amazon. It's a thing - a former classmate of my wife wrote her own book on the topic (the author got a biology degree and sells herself as a microbiologist - she married a CEO and became a stay-at-home mom for years until the epidemic. Now she is a hygiene expert.

Cognitive bias again.

Melvin never has to worry about the Coronavirus!

 

Cognitive bias again.

Melvin never has to worry about the Coronavirus!

Choose but choose wisely.

kv

 

Choose but choose wisely.

kv

One of my favorite concerts was them playing 'Nights In White Satin - Late Lament'. My stack of Moody Blues records is a treasure.

 

Incentives worked until about 70% vaccinated.

In my part of the country, it's ~37%!

 

If You don't see it on the TV, then it didn't happen.
I call that looking at only one side of the story.
It's living in a "Bubble".

What about the 50% who look at ALL sides, and then say no ?
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You mean by all sides like what is posted on Facebook, or one of the many Q groups?

 

Babies stick everything into their mouth, it builds-up their Immune-System.

"" You mean by all sides like what is posted on Facebook, or one of the many Q groups? ""
No, I'll give an example,
back when I used to race Sprint-Style-Racing-Karts,
there were always several guys with elaborate Trailers full of spare Engines
"Blue-Printed" and massaged by some famous shop in California,
and multiples of every other name-brand "trick" part You can imagine,
including several spare, complete and ready to run, Karts.
They used a new set of Tires every time they went out on the Track.
They were sure they had it all figured-out,
they had every "Expert-Recommended" part and Set-up that money could buy.
I could barely afford Gas-Money for the drive all the way to Jacksonville, Fla.

Then I pull up in my beat-to-hell, rusty '72 Datsun Pickup Truck,
(after sleeping in it the night before the race),
pull my Kart out of the back, and commenced with winning "Pole-Position",
setting the all-time Track-Record Lap-Time, and Top-Speed of 104 mph,
and ultimately winning the Florida-State, Stock-Heavy-Class for 1981.

And I only won because I studied extensively,
and kept my mouth-shut, and ears-open,
and I only accepted advice from experienced, successful, and proven winners.
I've found that this general strategy works well in all aspects of Life.
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