Infant and childhood mortality also plays a strong role.

 

Ron, I guess I should have only highlighted the phrase you said, " inner city areas with low literacy rates". Do you also think that that the MAGA-ites and Qanon people have lower literacy rates, since they are resisting getting vaccinated? There are many that have to live in the inter city, for various reasons, that don't fall into low literacy, and some work two jobs and can't take a day off to get a vaccine jab.

 

The MAGA-ites and Qanon people must be all French. The Obvious Way to Get Everyone to Take the Vaccine is to give them money.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjpxwx/how-france-became-the-global-centre-of-vaccine-resistance

For history buffs, the notion that France would emerge the most resistant to getting the coronavirus vaccine in a global poll of 15 countries may seem baffling, given that vaccines were pioneered and developed by Frenchman Louis Pasteur. But in an Ipsos-World Economic Forum survey released at the end of December, just 40 percent of French respondents said they would get vaccinated , compared to 77 percent of people in the UK.

Experts say a series of public health scandals, a deep-seated distrust of the government, a feeble understanding of the sciences, and a dash of contrarian Gallic defiance are among some of the reasons the French have become so resistant to the vaccine.

The end total vaccination result IMO with be satisfactory, as even high resistance groups fade in opposition to vaccination when looking at places like India.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsa...t-does-vaccine-inequality-look-like-see-chart

 

Today we finally have the value judgement on J&J.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/23/jj-...l-recommends-resuming-use-of-jj-vaccine-.html

A Centers for Disease Control and Prevention advisory panel on Friday recommended the U.S. resume using the Johnson and Johnson Covid-19 vaccine, saying the benefits outweighed the risk.

Members of the panel didn’t recommend U.S. regulators restrict the use of the vaccine based on age or gender, but they did propose that the FDA consider adding a warning label for women under the age 50.

The recommendation, which was adopted 10-4 with one abstention, by the CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, will pave the way for U.S. regulators to lift their recommended pause on using the J&J shot as early as this weekend.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/23/mit...ndoors-at-6-feet-or-60-feet-in-new-study.html

“What our analysis continues to show is that many spaces that have been shut down in fact don’t need to be. Often times the space is large enough, the ventilation is good enough, the amount of time people spend together is such that those spaces can be safely operated even at full capacity and the scientific support for reduced capacity in those spaces is really not very good,” Bazant said. “I think if you run the numbers, even right now for many types of spaces you’d find that there is not a need for occupancy restrictions.”

Six-feet social distancing rules that inadvertently result in closed businesses and schools are “just not reasonable,” according to Bazant.

As for social distancing outdoors, Bazant says it makes almost no sense and that doing so with masks on is “kind of crazy.”

“If you look at the air flow outside, the infected air would be swept away and very unlikely to cause transmission. There are very few recorded instances of outdoor transmission.” he said. “Crowded spaces outdoor could be an issue, but if people are keeping a reasonable distance of like 3 feet outside, I feel pretty comfortable with that even without masks frankly.”

Bazant says this could possibly explain why there haven’t been spikes in transmission in states like Texas or Florida that have reopened businesses without capacity limits.

https://www.pnas.org/content/118/17/e2018995118

 

Latest from Canada as provinces attwmp to enforce travel bans across various regions. Response from police is promising

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releas...e-travel-ban-enforcement-order-815057683.html

 

But Florida is experiencing a definite uptick in new cases per day. Like here:

https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-map/state/florida

I don’t think they are out of the woods yet. Especially since their governor seems more interested in demonstrating his bluster than actually tamping down this troubling trend.

 

Ron, I guess I should have only highlighted the phrase you said, " inner city areas with low literacy rates". Do you also think that that the MAGA-ites and Qanon people have lower literacy rates, since they are resisting getting vaccinated? There are many that have to live in the inter city, for various reasons, that don't fall into low literacy, and some work two jobs and can't take a day off to get a vaccine jab.

No, what I am saying is that any major city with a high population density that within those areas where the literacy rates are low the outbreaks of COVID in larger numbers are greater. We have people packed like sardines in mass public transit as an example also. You take a viral infection or any infection like COVID and it will run wild. So what they are doing is bringing the vaccine to the people since less using public mass transit these people have no easy path to immunization. Even then they buss people to setup distribution centers.

Finally the old saying comes into play. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. I also know plenty of people, well educated in suburbia who refuse immunization. My view is simple in that I like seeing all people wanting vaccinated to get vaccinated. I also feel those not wishing to be vaccinated have the option of not being vaccinated. Now it gets messy. Should airlines deny seats unless people can show proof of vaccination? Should restaurants be able to deny seating to unvaccinated? Can I be forced to sell my home to only those vaccinated? No I don't believe those having lower literacy are in all cases are refusing vaccinations. Any number of reasons an individual may wish to opt out of vaccination.

I am saying in some of the countries seeing an escalation in COVID that population density and illiteracy seem to be a common denominator. I also said everyone has a choice and I would defend that choice. "Do you also think that that the MAGA-ites and Qanon people have lower literacy rates, since they are resisting getting vaccinated"? No and I never said that, I have said I have to defend their right to refuse vaccination. Their choice. I really do not see their numbers as high as CNN would have us believe either. Actually I think it's QAnon but here nor there.

Ron

 

Let's say everybody but bob is vaccinated. Why should anybody but bob be concerned adout his vaccination status?

 

Let's say everybody but bob is vaccinated. Why should anybody but bob be concerned adout his vaccination status?

If only one guy named Bob, no problem. But if every Bob in a city lives or comes in contact with each other the virus can and will keep mutating. And as found so far mutation seems to make it more dangerous.

 

No I don't believe those having lower literacy are in all cases are refusing vaccinations.

But you do seem to think or so you said people of the inter city are less literate. That is my problem with your statement.

 

But you do seem to think or so you said people of the inter city are less literate. That is my problem with your statement.

No I was pretty specific as to inner city. There are $3,000 a month a higher dwellings in the inner city and they are not occupied by lower literacy inhabitants. I was pretty clear as to who I was referring to but to make it very clear public housing. Again take a good look at public housing and the population density. They are tightly packed. I also focused on Cleveland, Ohio and made that clear. Matter of fact I found a Channel 19 news story with a focus on illiteracy and COVID.

66% of adults in Cleveland are functionally illiterate: What that means regarding the Covid vaccine

Ron

 

Now it gets messy. Should airlines deny seats unless people can show proof of vaccination? Should restaurants be able to deny seating to unvaccinated?

I disagree with you. In all the cases you quoted, I think that the airlines and restaurants can deny service to non-vaccinated people. Last I heard, they are private enterprises and may place restrictions on entry. There are reasons on both major sides to defend this practice. And somewhat ironically, conservatives have strong reasons to support this.

 

I disagree with you. In all the cases you quoted, I think that the airlines and restaurants can deny service to non-vaccinated people. Last I heard, they are private enterprises and may place restrictions on entry. There are reasons on both major sides to defend this practice. And somewhat ironically, conservatives have strong reasons to support this.

Actually what I said was just asking a question. My own belief is if I own a business I should have the right to deny service to anyone of my choosing. Unfortunately the US Government does not share my views on that. I want to sell my house so should I be forced to sell it to someone I would prefer not to?

" Now it gets messy. Should airlines deny seats unless people can show proof of vaccination? Should restaurants be able to deny seating to unvaccinated"?
What I did was just ask two questions. My personal belief is yes, they should have a right to deny seats. So can I be forced by the government to provide seats? I figure no as my business. I also do not believe the Government has a right to intervene. Actually your view agrees with my own.

Ron

 

Actually what I said was just asking a question. My own belief is if I own a business I should have the right to deny service to anyone of my choosing. Unfortunately the US Government does not share my views on that. I want to sell my house so should I be forced to sell it to someone I would prefer not to?

" Now it gets messy. Should airlines deny seats unless people can show proof of vaccination? Should restaurants be able to deny seating to unvaccinated"?
What I did was just ask two questions. My personal belief is yes, they should have a right to deny seats. So can I be forced by the government to provide seats? I figure no as my business. I also do not believe the Government has a right to intervene. Actually your view agrees with my own.

Ron

You’re correct. Our views do coincide.

 

I disagree with you. In all the cases you quoted, I think that the airlines and restaurants can deny service to non-vaccinated people. Last I heard, they are private enterprises and may place restrictions on entry. There are reasons on both major sides to defend this practice. And somewhat ironically, conservatives have strong reasons to support this.

Nor do freedom loving people around the world agree with YOU! Just today, hundreds of thousands gathered in the streets of London to protest those exact kinds of practices.

 

The government enforces "anti-discrimination" against only the protected classes. I believe, and I may be wrong, that a business is free to discriminate against me, a fat old white guy, with impunity. The "un-vaccinated" are not protected, so I suppose they can be freely discriminated against.

 

No I was pretty specific as to inner city. There are $3,000 a month a higher dwellings in the inner city and they are not occupied by lower literacy inhabitants. I was pretty clear as to who I was referring to but to make it very clear public housing. Again take a good look at public housing and the population density. They are tightly packed. I also focused on Cleveland, Ohio and made that clear. Matter of fact I found a Channel 19 news story with a focus on illiteracy and COVID.

66% of adults in Cleveland are functionally illiterate: What that means regarding the Covid vaccine

Ron

Make it simple for them like the military did.

 

https://news.yahoo.com/two-arrests-thousands-part-anti-182022246.html

Several thousand took to the streets in Saturday’s “Unite for Freedom” demonstration.

Protesters - mostly not wearing face coverings - carried signs and marched through London chanting “freedom” and “take off your mask”.

Images from Hyde Park showed protesters holding placards reading “you don’t need proof to know the truth”, “no to vaccine passports” and “the people refuse your totalitarian state agenda”.

 

I was in business for 28 years, and as I understand it the anti-discrimination laws apply only to businesses considered to be essential. (and there are more in that class then you might imagine)

That means a restaurant or a hotel cannot discriminate, but a little print shop like mine could pick and choose their clientele.

And no, fat old white guy would discriminate against at least three of the protected classes...race, gender and disability.

I guess the courts will have to rule on the unvaccinated, i know when I was young you couldn't attend public school without proof of all your shots.