My little town went from basically no cases to a large outbreak in long term care facility (8 staff and 18 residents). I have a lot of questions that will never be answered about that outbreak. As a hospital worker we are required to wear masks everywhere at all times so how did this happen?

In Canada these long term care outbreaks continue and nothing is being done to minimize them. No one even tries to out in place any measures other than what already exists and that clearly does not work.

Personally I still have not been affected by it.

It did make me remember when my high school had an outbreak of mumps. My class was affected eventually. We were in isolation. We had to come in 30 min earlier and leave 30 min later than everyone else. We were stuck in same classroom for 9 hrs and counted who was no show everyday. Just waiting to get sick. I was about 9th in line to get ill with it. This was in grade 8 and we were vaccinated.

Can I just inject a little on the care home point,

The care home "nurses" at the home I know are not being issued the FFP3 masks , nor full face covering,
apparently the elderly patients can not understand the muffled voice through a proper mask and shield.

As such they have just the standard surgical masks,
As we all know , these are intended only to stop aerosol droplets being expelled,
they do not form a barrier for breathing in to CV19 as its to small, and leek at the sides,

Result, in the health care environment, the staff are having to work near to the patients so they can hear,
no social distancing,

and no protection of the eyes where we also know droplets can get into the blood system,..

And once one elderly / disabled person gets it, if they have no symptoms, its going to spread, again in the home I know of, all the residents are exempt wearing masks due to breathing difficulties.



These health care workers are putting there life on the line with lack of PPE and IMHO its a crime

 

Interesting but would like to see it by area then number or percentage of the population. Kind of hard to infer from just a headcount how it is affecting their population without the comparison.

 

hi,
The UK's Covid death count is almost 100k.
So far we have vaccinated 5.7 million people

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hi,
The UK's Covid death count is almost 100k.
So far we have vaccinated 5.7 million people

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The Uk is number 5 in the world for deaths per million
TERRIBLE results,

 

Can I just inject a little on the care home point,

The care home "nurses" at the home I know are not being issued the FFP3 masks , nor full face covering,
apparently the elderly patients can not understand the muffled voice through a proper mask and shield.

As such they have just the standard surgical masks,
As we all know , these are intended only to stop aerosol droplets being expelled,
they do not form a barrier for breathing in to CV19 as its to small, and leek at the sides,

Result, in the health care environment, the staff are having to work near to the patients so they can hear,
no social distancing,

and no protection of the eyes where we also know droplets can get into the blood system,..

And once one elderly / disabled person gets it, if they have no symptoms, its going to spread, again in the home I know of, all the residents are exempt wearing masks due to breathing difficulties.



These health care workers are putting there life on the line with lack of PPE and IMHO its a crime

You are completely correct. Local HA basically refuses to acknowledge aerosol transmission and healthcare workers are pretty much refused N95 masks. We have to use surgical masks all day with minimal replacement. And there is a shortage of disinfectant (supposedly because it is stolen by visitors, visitors that are not allowed to come in anymore).

When outbreak was declared in long term care that is adjacent to the hospital, i was asked to bring some equipment in, they did not even change any of their protocols. It was very strange. I expected them to minimize staff from traveling in and out, but nothing like that was done...

 

The Uk is number 5 in the world for deaths per million
TERRIBLE results,

Completely predictable.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/vitamin-d-deficiency-asians-uk-vulnerable-b1774943.html
At least they're taking action on the issue. Slowly

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/25/cal...statewide-allowing-restaurants-to-reopen.html

California will lift its stay-at-home order across the state on Monday, paving the way for restaurants and personal care services to reopen with modified operations for the first time in weeks, according to a statement from the state’s health department.

 

Thank you. I wish everyone same. I do work in a hospital...

I truly wish that instead of spreading fear information would be provided on how to support your body when ill... Instead fear spreads and that is very bad for the immune system. What is being done now leads to a bleak future I am afraid...

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-16996-1_6

Seems like a pretty poor evolutionary adaptation.

 

https://www.koin.com/local/clackama...strict-reopens-for-hybrid-in-person-learning/

This comes the same day that Oregon begins Phase 1b of its vaccination distribution plan, which makes all teachers and school staff eligible to receive a vaccine. Governor Kate Brown says this is an effort to get kids back in the classroom sooner — though her office says teachers are not required to get the shot to come back to school.

 

Seems like a pretty poor evolutionary adaptation.

Perhaps it is nature's way of ensuring only the strong survive?

On a more serious note, there appears to be immune response to stress. So you in fact are "sick". Once sick, you become more vulnerable to attacks by other pathogens, no? It is pretty simple, you can control your reaction to external factors

 

Perhaps it is nature's way of ensuring only the strong survive?

I find it hard to think or talk about evolution without assigning motive to "nature." Maybe because I was raised religious but I don't think so. I'm sure I'm not alone. I don't believe in any of the options presented for a creator, but still can't intuitively frame the thought of my existence any other way. "Nature's way of ensuring only the strong survive?" Is nature sentient? And if it is, why does it have more love for the strong? I'm not poking fun; I'm asking to illustrate my point. "Nature's way of _____ [fill in the blank]" seems perfectly intuitive. It is intuitive. There really seems to be (or feels like there is) intelligent design behind it. Until we run across things like this. Flaws. Self-defeating adaptations. But even in the face of them, hard to swallow that it's all just random. Even harder to swallow the flaws if you believe in a perfect creator.

On a more serious note, there appears to be immune response to stress. So you in fact are "sick". Once sick, you become more vulnerable to attacks by other pathogens, no? It is pretty simple, you can control your reaction to external factors

Easier said than done. For most. I'm pretty good about regulating my stress, but there some stressors that I can't regulate. Some specific things get to me no matter how hard I try not to let them. Again, I suspect I am not alone in this.

 

I find it hard to think or talk about evolution without assigning motive to "nature." Maybe because I was raised religious but I don't think so. I'm sure I'm not alone. I don't believe in any of the options presented for a creator, but still can't intuitively frame the thought of my existence any other way. "Nature's way of ensuring only the strong survive?" Is nature sentient? And if it is, why does it have more love for the strong? I'm not poking fun; I'm asking to illustrate my point. "Nature's way of _____ [fill in the blank]" seems perfectly intuitive. It is intuitive. There really seems to be (or feels like there is) intelligent design behind it. Until we run across things like this. Flaws. Self-defeating adaptations. But even in the face of them, hard to swallow that it's all just random. Even harder to swallow the flaws if you believe in a perfect creator.



Easier said than done. For most. I'm pretty good about regulating my stress, but there some stressors that I can't regulate. Some specific things get to me no matter how hard I try not to let them. Again, I suspect I am not alone in this.

Nature has no purpose or direction. Each one of us is here because our predecessors have managed to give birth to surviving offspring before dying. We are here today for the most part not due to vaccines or antibiotics. Often the weak survive as the strong die protecting them. That is sometimes how our society functions. We define "strong", nature holds no such definition. It is simply who lives and who dies. We dont know much about genes and how they function. Sometimes all die...

I have thought of my dog and her prey drive. She has attacked a porcupine 3 times with disasterous results, twice to her and third time killing the porcupine. She did not learn anything despite horrible pain. If she was a wild animal, she would suffer terrible death as half her head was covered in quills, her mouth and her tongue. This means infection and inability to get food or even water. So in this scenario, 2 animals die and no one learns anything. What is the motive?

As long as you have offspring, your genetic errors get carried forward... The only time they do not is if they are too damaging, you get taken out by something else or choose not to have children.

Everyone has their stressors, but stress is the number one detriment to your health.

 

There really seems to be (or feels like there is) intelligent design behind it. Until we run across things like this. Flaws. Self-defeating adaptations. But even in the face of them, hard to swallow that it's all just random.

You might enjoy this for a little change of perspective. I found it fascinating.

 

One casualty of the corona virus today I was sorry to hear of, one of my local pubs in Oxford closed due to Covid The :Lamb & Flag..
It first opened in 1566, saw all kinds of world events and survived two world wars but Covid did it in!
Max.

 

You might enjoy this for a little change of perspective. I found it fascinating.

I enjoyed the book of the same name. "The Blind Watch Maker" Richard Dawkins.!
Max.

 

I enjoyed the book of the same name. "The Blind Watch Maker" Richard Dawkins.!
Max.

There is also a really good book by Oliver Sacks called "Island of the Colorblind". How do we see the world?

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...01/pingelap-island-colorblindness-micronesia/

 

You might enjoy this for a little change of perspective. I found it fascinating.

Honestly I did not understand it or the argument it was meant to address. Maybe it builds on some missing context and I would get it if I were more engaged with the ID debate. But I'm not really. I didn't mean to argue in favor of it, I was just pondering out loud.
Or, maybe I'm too dense to get it; that's always a possibility.

 

There is also a really good book by Oliver Sacks called "Island of the Colorblind". How do we see the world?

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...01/pingelap-island-colorblindness-micronesia/

Another common thread of pondering I've held for years. If I could see through your eyes for a bit, would blue still be blue? Or would the color that I know to be blue, be orange when viewed through your eyes? If you polled 100 people their favorite color and looked through each of their eyes one at a time, would you find that there is actually only one color that we all have a fondness for?

 

It would still be blue as you see it, because the illusion of color happens in the mind, not the eyes.

When I see how some people dress or paint their homes, I often wonder if we all perceive color the same.

 

Can I also inject

sorry I'm a kill joy here.

The vaccine is not a cure.

The virus is now so well spread, that like the "common" flu, it is mutating faster than we can kill it.

Our natural immunity does not seem to last more than a few months after exposure.

we can not eradicate it,

QED, Each year or so , we are going to have to update the vaccine,

also ,

its going to still be circulating,. so people are still going to be dying of it.

hand shaking is going to be stopped and masked needed for many years to come,

Sorry to put the glume on this ,