One concerning factoid that came out recently stated that ~50% of those that recovered have heart problems afterward. It didn't go any further into it than that.

 

hi Al,
Have you seen the case histories of these younger people after recovery from the virus illness.?
Some sound very unpleasant and long lasting.
Also we do not know the possible later in life problems this virus can cause.

E

1) I have not seen any case histories directly. That information in the US is protected.
2) Contacts tell me that lung destruction can be very serious. It's due in large part, if not entirely to our immune response. It's one reason immunomodulators (e.g., hydroxychloroqine, corticosteroids, others* ) were and continue to be used by those treating patients. Studies have begun with stem cells by those in "regenerative" medicine. Scaring is one of the most difficult sequelae to prevent. Once there is scaring, treatment is even more difficult.
3) We do not know, but certainly #2 will cause long-term effects if not abated. As for neurological sequelae, who knows?

*E.g., anti-rejection drugs and reimmunization with MMR vaccine (https://asm.org/Press-Releases/2020/MMR-Vaccine-Could-Protect-Against-the-Worst-Sympto )

 

hi,
Initial results from two research units in the UK, show that the antibodies from a previous infection last only 3 Months, which suggests loss of any immunity.

Scary to think of the cumulative effect of multiple infections on younger people.

There are reports of neurological cognitive impairment and lasting olfactory damage on taste/smell.

E

 

...the antibodies from a previous infection last only 3 Months

If this is truly the case (which I somewhat doubt), then we earthlings are pretty much screwed, and might as well open it all up as we are all going to die from it anyway -- eventually.

Even a vaccine won't help (unless administered every 3 months).

The only thing that could save us would be the virus naturally evolving into something far less virulent and deadly.

 

...the antibodies from a previous infection last only 3 Months

Further, how do you explain this:

China

 

hi,
Initial results from two research units in the UK, show that the antibodies from a previous infection last only 3 Months, which suggests loss of any immunity.

Weakening, not complete lost. The immunoglobulin producing clones are still around and primed.

 

hi,
Is it possible for you to view this video in the States.?
Gives a little insight into the report.
E
https://www.channel4.com/news/perha...nfection-dr-katie-doores-kings-college-london

 

Further, how do you explain this:

China

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I take every data China "discloses" with a rather large boulder of salt...

 

If this is truly the case (which I somewhat doubt), then we earthlings are pretty much screwed, and might as well open it all up as we are all going to die from it anyway -- eventually.

Even a vaccine won't help (unless administered every 3 months).

The only thing that could save us would be the virus naturally evolving into something far less virulent and deadly.

Humans would be dead as a species long ago if we didn't have several types of immune systems in our bodies.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-h...avirus-in-absence-of-antibodies-idUKKBN24B1D8

Recent studies show that some recovered patients who tested negative for coronavirus antibodies did develop T cells in response to their COVID-19 infection. While the studies are small and have yet to be reviewed by outside experts, some scientists now say that people who experience a mild illness, or no symptoms at all, from the new coronavirus, may be eliminating the infection through this T cell response.

The findings add to the evidence that an effective COVID-19 vaccine will need to prompt T cells to work in addition to producing antibodies, and may have implications for several treatments in development. They may also shed light on how immunity to new exposure to infection could work.

“There is mounting evidence that people exposed to the virus have a transient (short-lived) antibody response, or have a T cell response in spite of a minor or absent antibody response,” Dr Alessandro Sette, professor and member of the La Jolla Institute’s Infectious Disease and Vaccine Center in California, told Reuters.

 

hi,
Is it possible for you to view this video in the States.?
Gives a little insight into the report.
E
https://www.channel4.com/news/perha...nfection-dr-katie-doores-kings-college-london

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/t-cells-found-covid-19-patients-bode-well-long-term-immunity

Immune warriors known as T cells help us fight some viruses, but their importance for battling SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, has been unclear. Now, two studies reveal infected people harbor T cells that target the virus—and may help them recover. Both studies also found some people never infected with SARS-CoV-2 have these cellular defenses, most likely because they were previously infected with other coronaviruses.

“This is encouraging data,” says virologist Angela Rasmussen of Columbia University. Although the studies don’t clarify whether people who clear a SARS-CoV-2 infection can ward off the virus in the future, both identified strong T cell responses to it, which “bodes well for the development of long-term protective immunity,” Rasmussen says. The findings could also help researchers create better vaccines.

 

Since you truly doubt any science that is not black and white in the engineering sense, I pray that you never encounter a coronavirus.

Any health issue so far has been fought successfully. However, as each threat is vanquished, the subsequent threat becomes more dangerous. Why does one believe this progression can also be fought? Mightn’t the next biological infection become more deadly, until we cannot fight it? I applaud your optimism if you can respect my pessimism.

 

A Look at the Reinfection Rate


https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/a-look-at-the-reinfection-rate/

In other words, 40 to 60 percent of people who hadn’t caught the virus yet had T-cells that had been “in training” against regular non-SARS-CoV-2 coronaviruses and that were likely to be effective in fighting off SARS-CoV-2. (Suddenly, asymptomatic cases make a bit more sense. Those folks are probably lucky enough to have immune systems that are top-tier and never let the SARS-CoV-2 virus get enough traction to generate symptoms. Remember, coughs, sneezes, runny noses, and other symptoms of sickness are ways the body is trying to expel the invader.)

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Since you truly doubt any science that is not black and white in the engineering sense, I pray that you never encounter a coronavirus.

Any health issue so far has been fought successfully. However, as each threat is vanquished, the subsequent threat becomes more dangerous. Why does one believe this progression can also be fought? Mightn’t the next biological infection become more deadly, until we cannot fight it? I applaud your optimism if you can respect my pessimism.

I'm optimistic that the vast majority of people will survive this while the weak and old die eventually die of something. Some people have natural immunity to AIDS. I have a genetic mutation called G6PD that is suspected to help to ward off malaria.
https://malariajournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12936-016-1396-1

 

hi Al,
Have you seen the case histories of these younger people after recovery from the virus illness.?
Some sound very unpleasant and long lasting.
Also we do not know the possible later in life problems this virus can cause.

E

Oh is it that bad? But we have no way to stop a virus pandemic they dont seem to realize that. The only real hope is a vaccine. Social distancing, masks, they just keep the case rate at a manageable level they dont really stop anything. Maybe we can get a vaccine before everyone gets it that might be the only way to reduce the cases long term.

I've read about possible brain damage but how can we prevent it without a vaccine. We can only hope it does not reach everyone before the vaccine is available i think.

So everyone gets even dumber as time goes on

The virus finally mutated in a way that knows that we are smart enough to prevent wide spread infections so it mutated into a smarter version that kills brain cells and makes us too dumb to make a vaccine

The ultimate example of how small things can make big differences.

 

A Look at the Reinfection Rate


https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/a-look-at-the-reinfection-rate/

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That's great news. I found a dead bat on my porch this morning. I didn't kiss it, but I did pick it up (no mask, no gown, no gloves) and throw it into the bushes for the other animals around here.

Every little bit helps.

 

That's great news. I found a dead bat on my porch this morning. I didn't kiss it, but I did pick it up (no mask, no gown, no gloves) and throw it into the bushes for the other animals around here.

Every little bit helps.

and.... did you wash your hands afterwards? ...

 

That's great news. I found a dead bat on my porch this morning. I didn't kiss it, but I did pick it up (no mask, no gown, no gloves) and throw it into the bushes for the other animals around here.

Every little bit helps.

Sure, no harm in playing with bats and infecting other animals
Dead bats make great toys for the neighbors kids

 

and.... did you wash your hands afterwards? ...

No but he shook hands with his neighbor right after

 

No but he shook hands with his neighbor right after

My nearest neighbor is 1/2 mile away.

I continued with my plans. The original builder of the property was quite a partier (i.e., young). There was a sand lot volley ball court in a South field (1993). Over the years, it had fallen into disuse, particularly mine. A few weeks ago, I dug it up. (The ground had been leveled, compacted, covered with plastic sheeting, and had at least 6" of sand over it. The saddest part was when I dug into a turtle's nest. Nothing I could do at that point to save them.) Project for the day was to level the field and prepare for grass -- if we ever get into a rain cycle. Very dry and hot June and July so far. Got done about noon:



I did take a bath before fixing lunch.

 

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