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RobNevada

Joined Jul 29, 2019
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The best face masks are using Hepa vacuum cleaner bags cut into square filter packs and then placed into a sandwich of cloth. The N95 mask only filters to 3 microns and the Hepa filters down to 1 micron. The virus is less than 3 microns in size. I have found that it is easier to breathe through the Hepa filters then using a N95. Spandex or other stretch material makes a very tight mask with fewer air pockets for unfiltered air to enter. There was an Australian study that recently found that Covid dies within 24 hours of being treated with a parasitic drug used to treat worms. According to the study they had 100% success.
The drug used to be made by Merck. That drug is Ivermectin.
 

jpanhalt

Joined Jan 18, 2008
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I think it might possibly be more socially acceptable in mixed-company than aerosol fecal matter.
Generally, when I am doing that thing, I don't have spectators present. Forbes' argument is more ridiculous than arguments about whether the roll should unwind from the front or rear.
 

justtrying

Joined Mar 9, 2011
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The best face masks are using Hepa vacuum cleaner bags cut into square filter packs and then placed into a sandwich of cloth. The N95 mask only filters to 3 microns and the Hepa filters down to 1 micron. The virus is less than 3 microns in size. I have found that it is easier to breathe through the Hepa filters then using a N95. Spandex or other stretch material makes a very tight mask with fewer air pockets for unfiltered air to enter. There was an Australian study that recently found that Covid dies within 24 hours of being treated with a parasitic drug used to treat worms. According to the study they had 100% success.
The drug used to be made by Merck. That drug is Ivermectin.
This is going overboard. You only need N95 if you are taking care of a patient. You also need to be fitted for it. If you are not fitted for one, it is useless. This virus travels in droplets (sneezing, coughing) so separation and basic mask are more than sufficient (especially if they finally advise that everyone wears one when going geocery shopping etc). Best thing you can do for yourself is wash your hands.

https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/the-right-mask-for-the-task.html
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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This is going overboard. You only need N95 if you are taking care of a patient. You also need to be fitted for it. If you are not fitted for one, it is useless. This virus travels in droplets (sneezing, coughing) so separation and basic mask are more than sufficient (especially if they finally advise that everyone wears one when going geocery shopping etc). Best thing you can do for yourself is wash your hands.

https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/the-right-mask-for-the-task.html
I see people using cloth masks. It seems to me this might actually slightly increase the chances of catching the virus. It's a poor filter but a fair trap for breath moisture (being colder than the exhaled breath) and would possibly concentrate hand to mask touching transfers.

https://sci.bio.misc.narkive.com/Ix3hNM5I/relative-humidity-of-human-exhaled-breath
 

jpanhalt

Joined Jan 18, 2008
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I guess this is a thing in the field of infectious disease and not without humor:

Lifting the lid on toilet plume aerosol: A literature review with suggestions for future research

"Additional research in multiple areas is warranted to assess the risks posed by toilet plume, especially within health care facilities."
I have said many times over my career that containing fecally transmitted infectious diseases (i.e., fecal oral route) is almost impossible. In the early days of MRSA, some hospitals instituted very rigorous isolation and were able to reduce nosocomial infection rates. C. difficile is another example.

When it was publicly reported that fecal-oral was a route for COVID-19 infection, I raised that flag here (post #42).
 
In the past few days, reports have indicated an unusually large percentage of cases of coronavirus infection presented with diarrhea instead of flu-like symptoms (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ransmit-along-fecal-oral-route-xinhua-reports ). Early on, it was assumed coronavirus infection occurred mostly through the respiratory route and the fecal-oral route was rare.

Those newer results indicate the fecal-oral may be more common than suspected. Other microbes/diseases spread by that route (e.g., cholera, Clostridium difficile -- both bacterial, not viral --, and Enterovirus ) can be difficult to control even in hospital settings. That new finding certainly raises concerns.
Good call. Reproduced here. My modest contribution is the idea of a toilet handle interlocked with the seat. Will only flush when the cover is down. Although, this could be difficult for some people who just have to know everything goes down. So, the cover should be transparent.
 

jpanhalt

Joined Jan 18, 2008
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Good call. Reproduced here. My modest contribution is the idea of a toilet handle interlocked with the seat. Will only flush when the cover is down. Although, this could be difficult for some people who just have to know everything goes down. So, the cover should be transparent.
Why flush? We have gravity. It's more dependable and uses less water. ;)

Personally, I don't think closing the lid helps one bit bit and may actually increase contagion on the seat and lid. Take a lit cigarette suspended across a toilet bowl. Flush with and without the lid closed. See or smell much difference? I have not done that experiment. If there are fomites, they will be cast upon the lid. Then, how does one get the lid open.
 

SamR

Joined Mar 19, 2019
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Also not mentioned is the gain/loss factor of including the common bathroom exhaust fan to the results of the event... :cool:
 

justtrying

Joined Mar 9, 2011
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I see people using cloth masks. It seems to me this might actually slightly increase the chances of catching the virus. It's a poor filter but a fair trap for breath moisture (being colder than the exhaled breath) and would possibly concentrate hand to mask touching transfers.

https://sci.bio.misc.narkive.com/Ix3hNM5I/relative-humidity-of-human-exhaled-breath
Cloth masks are to protect others from potential infection. They are not to protect you. The trick is, if everyone wears them, the virus is contained to the one infected.

Perhaps you have seen articles on how many people with this virus are asymptomatic? Guess what? They are infectious. It is not in the western mindset to think of others I suppose.

Made out of high density cotton, they are about 50% as effective as a surgical mask. Contrary to what is being told righr now, most people who wear a mask touch their face less than without one (your nose and mouth are covered). You should have several cloth masks as you need to clean it as soon as you get back home. You will be taking it off by straps only. Clearlt there needs ro be more education around the concept, a sort of cultural shift.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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Cloth masks are to protect others from potential infection. They are not to protect you. The trick is, if everyone wears them, the virus is contained to the one infected.

Perhaps you have seen articles on how many people with this virus are asymptomatic? Guess what? They are infectious. It is not in the western mindset to think of others I suppose.

Made out of high density cotton, they are about 50% as effective as a surgical mask. Contrary to what is being told righr now, most people who wear a mask touch their face less than without one (your nose and mouth are covered). You should have several cloth masks as you need to clean it as soon as you get back home. You will be taking it off by straps only. Clearlt there needs ro be more education around the concept, a sort of cultural shift.
Sure, I know the reasons to wear them is to protect others as I've actually read the CDC and WHO guidelines for masks.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover.html

I've worn class 1-100 clean room attire for 30+ years so I know the tendency to touch faces and about the nasty stuff on cloth (not proper particulate filters) face masks from breathing that concentrates airborne hazmat substances.

I don't work for them.

The added virus risk might be small but it's not non-existent even for people with proper training. The net benefit of DIY cloth masks IMO will be minimal in most cases and could lead to a false sense of security that causes more exposure.
 
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jpanhalt

Joined Jan 18, 2008
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One of my children is in a severely affected area. They have been told that most infections in those using N95 masks are not from failure of the mask, but from failure to follow sterile procedures when removing the mask. That is, every doctor knows how to remove gloves aseptically. Do they know how to remove a mask aseptically? Do you?
 

Reloadron

Joined Jan 15, 2015
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The availability of toilet paper is a matter of geographical location and timing. My local drug store stocks the shelves (truck arrives) Thursday morning. When I picked up prescriptions Friday morning there was some on the shelves but not much. My local super market on Friday morning had single rolls out but off brand and only singles. My neighbor's (and good friend) daughter lives in Long Island City, NY and I guess there is none to be had as her mom keeps sending it to her. :) Seriously, who would have thought. Not too worried about it so I wasn't buying any.

Ron
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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The availability of toilet paper is a matter of geographical location and timing. My local drug store stocks the shelves (truck arrives) Thursday morning. When I picked up prescriptions Friday morning there was some on the shelves but not much. My local super market on Friday morning had single rolls out but off brand and only singles. My neighbor's (and good friend) daughter lives in Long Island City, NY and I guess there is none to be had as her mom keeps sending it to her. :) Seriously, who would have thought. Not too worried about it so I wasn't buying any.

Ron
The huge scratch butt commercial rolls are still available.
https://www.amazon.com/sweetnice-Ti...ommercial+toilet+paper&qid=1586039662&sr=8-27
 
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