A very interesting turn of events:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/...mented-immigrant-farmworkers-agriculture.html

Immigrant field workers have been told to keep working despite stay-at-home directives, and given letters attesting to their “critical” role in feeding the country.

 

I love snopes ... their objectivity is enviable

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You have got to be kidding? While I, for a number of well-considered reasons, am in no way a proponent of the 'bioengineered agent' theories (Re: the origins of SARS-CoV-2 ) --- IMNSHO, Snopes has become nothing more than a (rather transparent) vendor of propaganda to the highest bidder! But then even a 'broken' clock is correct twice daily!

Most respectfully
HP

PS Have I, perchance, missed some subtle sarcasm in your post?

 

I can kinda keep up with what month, what day? Who cares, I don't have to get up to go to work so what's the point!

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Please count your blessings! I've had so little sleep over the last several days that I'm beginning to muddle AM and PM -- Much as I burn with shame at the confession, I'm beginning to see @Aleph(0)'s point - To wit: It's high time that I fully retire and enjoy life! -- Still, it is a venerable adage and true that 'old habits' do indeed 'die hard'

With marked somnolence
HP

 

Hello,

This is getting scary. People infected with corona, showing no symptoms, being able to spread the corona:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/health/coronavirus-asymptomatic.html
If this already was known in february, what effects will we see?

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00434-5

Bertus

 

I have argued (unsuccessfully) that rationing of tests should favor those without "clear" symptoms if the purpose is to slow the spread. The opposite seems to have been dome in the US, except for our political leaders.

So much is not public or is as yet unknown. I could not find the minimal infective dose for humans. In early work with VeroE6 cell cultures, that dose was not particularly low (https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/6/20-0516_article):

After the second passage, we did not culture OP and NP specimens separately. We passaged virus isolate 2 more times in Vero CCL-81 cells and titrated by determining the 50% tissue culture infectious dose (TCID50). Titers were 8.65 × 10^6 TCID50/mL for the third passage and 7.65 × 10^6 TCID50/mL for the fourth passage.

Our best hope, I believe, will be in fast tracking treatment or prevention (i.e., immunization or prophylaxis). The American FDA doesn't seem to share that opinion and predicts such measures will be 1 to 2 years off following classical clinical studies. Fortunately, rules controlling prophylactic use of chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine are beginning to be relaxed in the US on a state by state basis. Ohio is still highly restricted.

Safety, of course, must be demonstrated for any intervention. Once that has been done (as has been with chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine) I think requirements for unambiguous clinical efficacy should be relaxed.

 

This doesn't bode well...
Despite stay-at-home orders, 6 out of 10 are on roads
https://www.chron.com/news/article/Despite-stay-at-home-orders-6-out-of-10-are-on-15179476.php

 

If this already was known in february

Isn't that a known feature of all infectious illnesses? There will always be silent carriers.

 

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm having a real hard time buying that India has only had 99 deaths and if they've only got about 3600 confirmed cases it must be more a reflection of very limited testing than anything else. Given the extremely crowded slums and poor sanitation and lack of running water in many of them, I have to believe that they are going to be hard pressed to contain it there once it gets going.

 

Isn't that a known feature of all infectious illnesses? There will always be silent carriers.

I don't know to what degree that is the case, but I would expect it to be so more often than not. What probably varies a lot would be things like: what fraction of people infected are asymptomatic; what fraction of asymptomatic people are able to pass it along; and how long can an asymptomatic person transmit the disease.

 

This doesn't bode well...
Despite stay-at-home orders, 6 out of 10 are on roads
https://www.chron.com/news/article/Despite-stay-at-home-orders-6-out-of-10-are-on-15179476.php

This doesn't bode well...

But then a significant fraction of said traffic may owe merely to individuals and (co-domiciled) families out for a diversionary/recreational 'spin' sans destination or any manner of personal interaction with others -- In which case they are far better 'socially distanced' than those 'carefully' strolling, dog-walking, etc. about the neighborhood on the advice of many officials...

Then too there are 'essential activities' (i.e. grocery shopping, etc)...

Best regards
HP

 

But then a significant fraction of said traffic may owe merely to individuals and (co-domiciled) families out for a diversionary/recreational 'spin' sans destination or any manner of personal interaction with others -- In which case they are far better 'socially distanced' than those 'carefully' strolling, dog-walking, etc. about the neighborhood on the advice of many officials...

Then too there are 'essential activities' (i.e. grocery shopping, etc)...

Best regards
HP

I still go to my office every day -- I'm there now.

I get in my car, drive 10 miles to my office, and lock myself in -- alone.

I don't believe these activities are contributing to the spread of the virus.

And if they are, our problems are worse than we think.

 

Isn't that a known feature of all infectious illnesses? There will always be silent carriers.

Indeed!

TTFN
HP

 

Then too there are 'essential activities' (i.e. grocery shopping, etc)...

I don't believe these activities are contributing to the spread of the virus.

60%?!?! Seems a bit high even for related activities much less essential ones. I would expect maybe 30% and even a third of the registered vehicles with only 1 per car is quite substantial.

 

60%?!?! Seems a bit high even for related activities much less essential ones. I would expect maybe 30% and even a third of the registered vehicles with only 1 per car is quite substantial.

There's actually a pretty large fraction of jobs that are "essential", either directly or indirectly.

Plus, there are a number of things that result in more driving, such as people that are driving who used to take mass transit, either because mass transit is unavailable or because they don't want to be in close proximity to other users. People that used to carpool and are still working are largely not carpooling. Even people that used to car pool and aren't working may have shared errand trips to/from work and those now require individual trips. Not to mention things that used to be one trip to one place may now require multiple trips to multiple places because of availability.

 

58% of normal levels, according to Wejo, a British company that collects data from sensors in some passenger vehicles.

I wonder just what the percentage of vehicles on the road have trackable sensors? And, once again, off we go willy nilly with big brother watching over our shoulder. Not just our phones but our cars also...

 

60%?!?! Seems a bit high even for related activities much less essential ones. I would expect maybe 30% and even a third of the registered vehicles with only 1 per car is quite substantial.

I dunno -- Seems a great many folks dwell in very small 'spaces' ---indeed, often in flats--- (frankly, I can't imagine it - even under 'normal' conditions!) - Thus 'imprisoned' with nothing doing-- I should think an aimless drive would be most refreshing and, indeed, nothing short of sanity preserving!

Best regards
HP

 

It’s wicked cheap now. $5.99 a pound.

May I ask where? I’m still looking for a source.

 

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm having a real hard time buying that India has only had 99 deaths and if they've only got about 3600 confirmed cases it must be more a reflection of very limited testing than anything else. Given the extremely crowded slums and poor sanitation and lack of running water in many of them, I have to believe that they are going to be hard pressed to contain it there once it gets going.

They have virtually no testing, much less than the U.S.
https://apple.news/AkcZMAdhQT3WKyGw3Gbe7zg

 

May I ask where? I’m still looking for a source.

Weymouth Lobster Pound, Weymouth, MA.

Their info can be found here. They don’t have a web site.

 

I wonder just what the percentage of vehicles on the road have trackable sensors?

To but scratch the surface:
All vehicles equipped with LOJACK and/or (digital) 'On-Star' service and their ilk (that said, the analog transceivers are yet functional albeit no longer supported by the networks (and, hence, 'dormant') -- said lack of 'support' being, howbeit, at the 'pleasure' of the telecoms and the acquisitive arm of 'Big Bro' -- Then too are live-streaming and 'randomly interrogatable', GPS equipped, 'telemetry monitors' voluntarily issued by automobile insurance organizations (for connection to their patrons' vehicles' OBD-II ports) to those desirous of 'shaving' a small percentage off their premiums at the expense of privacy (SMH!) -- And, of course, as you pointed out, standard cellular devices...

And, once again, off we go willy nilly with big brother watching over our shoulder.

Sure as Pestilence, War, Famine, and Death

Best regards
HP