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nsaspook

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https://apnews.com/417e8315073e89a2a6b3a29bc0824956
What the history books call “convalescent serum” was most famously used during the 1918 flu pandemic, and also against measles, bacterial pneumonia and numerous other infections before modern medicine came along. Why? When infection strikes, the body starts making proteins called antibodies specially designed to target that germ. Those antibodies float in survivors’ blood — specifically plasma, the yellowish liquid part of blood — for months, even years.

When new diseases erupt and scientists are scrambling for vaccines or drugs, it’s “a stopgap measure that we can put into place quickly,” said Dr. Jeffrey Henderson of Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis, who is helping to develop a nationwide study.
But donations from people like Pinckney could be used as fast as blood centers can process it. She got sick the first week of March. First came the fever and chills. She couldn’t catch her breath, and deep breathing caused chest pains. The single mother worried about her sons, 9 and 16.

“I remember being on my bathroom floor crying and praying,” the 39-year-old said.

So when Mount Sinai, which diagnosed her, called Pinckney to check on her recovery and ask if she’d consider donating, she didn’t hesitate.

“It’s humbling. And for me, it’s also a beacon of hope for someone else,” she said.
 

nsaspook

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cmartinez

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While I agree with the Captain about what needed to be done he wasn't wrongfully relieved of command. He knew the rules as the commander of a ship with nuclear weapon capability. There is zero tolerance for operational (offloading the entire crew) chain of command violations.
And yet, he might've saved several lives acting how he did...
 

cmartinez

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If he had stayed within the chain he might've saved lives and his command. We will never know because he short-circuited the process.
In your estimation, how many days (or weeks) more would he had had to wait for command to take action if he had gone through the proper channels?
 

nsaspook

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In your estimation, how many days (or weeks) more would he had had to wait for command to take action if he had gone through the proper channels?
I have no idea. The military is not a democracy. There are alternative channels within the system that while frowned at usually won't get you fired. The public release of his efforts is what got him.
Crozier's immediate superior, an admiral named Stuart Baker has his flag aboard the TR. So his boss has seen everything that the skipper has.
 
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cmartinez

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I have no idea. The military is not a democracy. There are alternative channels within the system that while frowned at usually won't get you fired. The public release of his efforts is what got him.
I understand... there's no arguing with the military, and with good reason... I hope his retirement rights are not taken away though...
 

justtrying

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I understand... there's no arguing with the military, and with good reason... I hope his retirement rights are not taken away though...
There is a netflix series right now The Trials of Gabriel Hernandez. It outlines very well how beaurocracies protect themselves. It is frigtening and a few comments from it really hit me hard as I have been faced woth those situations already at my job.

I know that every issue I bring up to the "proper chain of command" dies with my direct supervisor. And if I go above, i will actually be fired for beingg insubordinate. So there you have it. Perfect system to promote incompetence and make sure that those who want change simply give up. I hav found a few work arounds but not for major issues
 

cmartinez

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There is a netflix series right now The Trials of Gabriel Hernandez. It outlines very well how beaurocracies protect themselves. It is frigtening and a few comments from it really hit me hard as I have been faced woth those situations already at my job.

I know that every issue I bring up to the "proper chain of command" dies with my direct supervisor. And if I go above, i will actually be fired for beingg insubordinate. So there you have it. Perfect system to promote incompetence and make sure that those who want change simply give up. I hav found a few work arounds but not for major issues
Must be a frustrating line of work... I hope your nerves don't suffer too much because of it.
 

Reloadron

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There is a netflix series right now The Trials of Gabriel Hernandez. It outlines very well how beaurocracies protect themselves. It is frigtening and a few comments from it really hit me hard as I have been faced woth those situations already at my job.

I know that every issue I bring up to the "proper chain of command" dies with my direct supervisor. And if I go above, i will actually be fired for beingg insubordinate. So there you have it. Perfect system to promote incompetence and make sure that those who want change simply give up. I hav found a few work arounds but not for major issues
I can't imagine having spent my career in a work environment like that. Actually not only can I not imagine it, I would not have done it.

Ron
 

MrChips

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I can't imagine having spent my career in a work environment like that. Actually not only can I not imagine it, I would not have done it.

Ron
Actually, I used to work in a place like that. Recently, senior management two levels above me walked in and said "there are going to be changes made around here". When I heard it all, I responded "Over my dead body". And the answer came back, "so be it".
I handed in my resignation and walked away from it all after 45 years of service. No regrets now.
 

SamR

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Well the caca just hit the rotary oscillator in Georgia. The beaches, reachable by road, here number 3. Tybee Island, St. Simon's Island and Jekyll Island and all were closed by local edict. Our all-knowing Governor who finally issued a statewide stay-at-home edict last night has opened the beaches?!?! Don't ask, who knows... The Mayors and County Board Officials that closed them are plenty steamed! Had to be someone needing that tourist dollar for all those displaced hot spot folks...
 

MrAl

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In case no one mentioned it yet, the China lab mistake idea is resurfacing again.
There is good reason to believe it was accidentally released from a lab in the SAME area as the virus was first detected, and that SAME lab has been known in the past to make mistakes like this.

Now the US Gov is going to try to change one of it's major policies with regard to foreign sovereignty in that it will allow an exception so that they can investigate this possible accidental leak and even possibly sue China for damages! This is really amazing news, something i was hoping to hear. They need to be held accountable.
 

cmartinez

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In case no one mentioned it yet, the China lab mistake idea is resurfacing again.
There is good reason to believe it was accidentally released from a lab in the SAME area as the virus was first detected, and that SAME lab has been known in the past to make mistakes like this.

Now the US Gov is going to try to change one of it's major policies with regard to foreign sovereignty in that it will allow an exception so that they can investigate this possible accidental leak and even possibly sue China for damages! This is really amazing news, something i was hoping to hear. They need to be held accountable.
 

nsaspook

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https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/04/01/covid-19-bioweapon/
The Bottom Line
The theory that SARS-CoV-2 was manufactured in, and escaped from, a lab in Wuhan is based solely on the proximity of infectious-disease labs near a potential source of the COVID-19 outbreak. Several “scientific” claims have been made or manufactured to further bolster the notion that something nefarious is going on with COVID-19 and these labs, but this information comes from non-peer-reviewed papers misconstrued to be actual additions to the scientific record, or from disreputable websites like Mercola.com. The actual scientific facts known about the novel coronavirus leave little room for it to be a virus of human creation, however.

We have little reason to doubt nature is capable of producing a virus like this. After all:
“Nature has already created more than enough pandemic threats,” Garry told us.
 

MrAl

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All that does not matter. What matters is that peer reviewed or not, made up or not, given to by aliens from another planet, it makes sense to find out once and for all and the only way to do that is to investigate.
You have a lab that made mistakes in the past so there is good reason to believe that they MAY have made another mistake, that's all we need. But the bill has to pass first so we may not see the investigation anyway.
 
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