Coronavirus?!

shortbus

Joined Sep 30, 2009
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And yet no one seems to be advocating shutting down the country due over diabetes. Of course not. That would be totally irrational. Well likewise it just doesn't make sense to continue the lockdowns on account of Covid based on those kinds of mortality rates.
I guess I see things different. Since when are things like diabetes, opioid addiction(which is often brought up in the thread) or any other "normal" cause of death, spread by or through the air? Masking, vaccination and even shutdowns are to prevent the person to person transfer of the Covid.

I'm old enough to remember people being quarantined for things like the measles or scarlet fever. And nobody complained back then.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
8,259
I guess I see things different. Since when are things like diabetes, opioid addiction(which is often brought up in the thread) or any other "normal" cause of death, spread by or through the air? Masking, vaccination and even shutdowns are to prevent the person to person transfer of the Covid.

I'm old enough to remember people being quarantined for things like the measles or scarlet fever. And nobody complained back then.
Sure they complained about measures. People haven't changed a bit.

https://crosscut.com/2020/07/mask-wars-1918-flu-pandemic
The mask wars of the 1918 flu pandemic
Face coverings helped flatten the curve during the Spanish flu. But as with coronavirus today, they couldn't muzzle dissent.
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xox

Joined Sep 8, 2017
544
I guess I see things different. Since when are things like diabetes, opioid addiction(which is often brought up in the thread) or any other "normal" cause of death, spread by or through the air? Masking, vaccination and even shutdowns are to prevent the person to person transfer of the Covid.

I'm old enough to remember people being quarantined for things like the measles or scarlet fever. And nobody complained back then.
Then again those policies weren't being guided by the whims of tech-oligarchs either! Politicians should instead be working with their constituents to reach a consensus on the proper course of action so as to ensure the best possible balance between personal liberty and public safety. Because we all know that when measures are reasonable and well-founded people tend comply without much complaint. No?
 

justtrying

Joined Mar 9, 2011
432
How can you expect people to comply wiyh these measures when different health officials are giving contradictory advise about vaccines, flip flopped on masks, and keep changing vaccination schedule?

How can a common person trust any of this?
 

cmartinez

Joined Jan 17, 2007
7,311
How can you expect people to comply wiyh these measures when different health officials are giving contradictory advise about vaccines, flip flopped on masks, and keep changing vaccination schedule?

How can a common person trust any of this?
I have very smart friends who are also very confused by all of this. The inevitable result is that mistrust has grown steadily in them. And that is a much more serious hinderance for everyone to get out of this mess eventually.
 

wayneh

Joined Sep 9, 2010
17,143
When did that happen? Links to the reporting?
Take your pick. It's all over the news.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/c...based-in-politics-and-not-science/ar-BB1gkfJp

Critics slam CDC after teachers union influences guidelines: 'Based in politics and not science'
Ditto for the mask theatrics:
https://dailycaller.com/2021/05/04/...n-wears-mask-outside-not-inside-jimmy-carter/
https://nypost.com/2021/04/29/bidens-first-big-speech-to-congress-bombs-on-all-counts/
 
Take your pick. It's all over the news.
That's what I thought, just wanted proof of my thinking. When you only see things through one lens you miss the bigger picture. Those links weren't news but all opinion pieces. News is actual reporting what is said, not the opinion of some one who heard it and spins it their way. Sorry
 
More CDC model projections vs reality.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7019e3.htm
In all four scenarios, COVID-19 cases were projected to increase through May 2021 at the national level because of increased prevalence of the B.1.1.7 variant and decreased NPI mandates and compliance (Figure 1). A sharp decline in cases was projected by July 2021, with a faster decline in the high-vaccination scenarios. Increases in hospitalizations and deaths (Figure 1), although more moderate, were also projected. A peak of 7,000–11,100 weekly deaths nationwide was projected in May (range = 5,382–15,677, which includes the central 50% of the projected distributions for all scenarios in the ensemble). The larger increases in cases relative to hospitalizations and deaths were attributable to higher vaccination coverage among groups with higher risk for severe COVID-19.
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Actual US case data so far in May.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/06/us/covid-case-hospitalizations-update.html
Turning the Corner’: U.S. Covid Outlook Reaches Most Hopeful Point Yet
Cases and deaths have dipped, and vaccinations make scientists hopeful, even as variants mean the coronavirus is here to stay.
 
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