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nsaspook

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When power goes too far.
https://www.kptv.com/watch-man-with...cle_8378c076-7f83-599e-9538-1f232bfc3af6.html
(Meredith) -- A man in Philadelphia was pulled off a bus by police officers for not wearing a face mask, a week after Philadelphia’s Transit Agency decided to refuse service to passengers not wearing masks.

Philadelphia bus operators gained the right to refuse passengers that do not wear face masks this week, but after police forcibly removed a passenger from a bus that rule has now been rescinded.
 

MrAl

Joined Jun 17, 2014
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Let me understand, then. Why are NYC's hospitals overwhelmed with this thing? And why are they digging a mass grave? On the other hand, these are the numbers with proper measures being taken (more or less) into account. What would those numbers be if no nation were to take any precautions at all?
It might be shown to be double but there are other views on this in relation to herd immunity. The question arises as to how much better off would the general public be if more people got it and developed antibodies and also if the hit on the economy is worth the extra precautions, and weighing in with that is the immediacy of the need for hospital beds when other illnesses dont just go away just because covid is so prevalent.

It is obviously a nonlinear differential equation that is so far unknown.
 
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shortbus

Joined Sep 30, 2009
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“Oh, I think they have the rabies under control now” sez Shortbus. I am not sure what you mean by under control but there are two or three people who die from rabies every year in these our united states.
A few years ago my area was a hot bed of raccoons with rabies, not sure if that is what nsa was meaning or not. But with the state recognizing the problem and starting to drop baits, little blocks of food containing rabies vaccines in the area, it has been much better.
 

nsaspook

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A few years ago my area was a hot bed of raccoons with rabies, not sure if that is what nsa was meaning or not. But with the state recognizing the problem and starting to drop baits, little blocks of food containing rabies vaccines in the area, it has been much better.
That was my meaning when you mentioned something about possible viral immunity in your post.
 

nsaspook

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https://www.itv.com/news/2020-04-11...y-autumn-says-oxford-professor-sarah-gilbert/
A coronavirus vaccine could be available for the general public by September, a University of Oxford professor has said.

Sarah Gilbert, a professor of vaccinology at Oxford University, is leading a team of researchers in the development of a vaccine that would protect the world against Covid-19.

In an interview with The Times, the professor said that she and her team have already created a potential vaccine that is due to begin human trials within two weeks.

She told the paper she is "80%" confident of its success, "based on other things that we have done with this type of vaccine".
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However, Professor Gilbert believes that by letting volunteers from places that have not imposed lockdown measures become infected naturally as soon as possible, will accelerate the clinical trial process.

"If one of those (places) turns out to have a high rate of virus transmission then we will get our efficacy results very quickly, so that is one strategy for reducing the time," she said.
 

SamR

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Raccoons and Bats are known carriers for rabies, meaning they have it but are unaffected by the disease. Bats are carriers for many diseases. Armadillos are carriers for leprosy. Rabbits for tularemia. Etc. The danger is not to them but to who they can infect.
 
Raccoons and Bats are known carriers for rabies, meaning they have it but are unaffected by the disease. Bats are carriers for many diseases. Armadillos are carriers for leprosy. Rabbits for tularemia. Etc. The danger is not to them but to who they can infect.
When I lived in Southern New Mexico, the most common carrier of rabies were skunks. The raccoons not so much. If you saw a skunk out during mid-day, it was probably rabid. I know of a visitor from Japan who reached down to pet the "kitty" and was bitten. They never tested the skunk (it wandered off) but being out in mid-day was enough for her to get treated.
 

SamR

Joined Mar 19, 2019
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Yes but carriers are infected but not symptomatic. Skunks and foxes are nocturnal animals and if you see one in daylight it is most likely rabid. Raccoons not so much. I don't ever remember hearing of a rabid coon or possum who are also primarily nocturnal but sometimes seen during the day other than lying dead in the road.
 

killivolt

Joined Jan 10, 2010
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I would agree some might carry, even after. That person is subject to culture, let them test his or her blood for a virus vaccine, for the greater population which is for science. However, those who obtain it can also mutate it for further population distribution and less control leads to more infections on a lesser scale, thus making the population both vulnerable maybe more systemically needing their drugs over priced and allowing them to further bleed money from the those who might be less able to obtain it.

kv
 

WBahn

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And yet, from https://www.rochesterregional.org/news/2020/01/flu-season-2020

So far this season, the CDC estimates between 39 million and 55 million flu illnesses, at least 400,000 hospitalizations, and as many as 63,000 deaths from flu, of which 162 are pediatric.
I haven't been able to find what the PEAK daily flu deaths are estimated to be, but I had no problems finding sites that directly compared the current daily COVID-19 deaths to the AVERAGE daily flu deaths during typical flu seasons. Just like you have no shortage of places comparing the mortality rate of COVID-19 as a fraction of CONFIRMED cases to flu's mortality rate as a fraction of TOTAL estimated infections.

EDIT: Fix typos.
 
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nsaspook

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And yet, from https://www.rochesterregional.org/news/2020/01/flu-season-2020



I haven't been able to find what the PEAK daily flu deaths are estimated to be, but I had no problems finding sites that directly compared the current daily COVID-19 deaths to the AVERAGE daily flu deaths during typical flu seasons. Just like you have no shortage of places comparing the mortality rate of COVID-19 as a fraction of CONFIRMED cases to flues mortality rate as a fraction of TOTAL estimated infections.
I totally agree but this is the new monster in our face now and we all know how the human brain reacts to novelty while ignoring chronic lower level continuous pain. There are two cases (no deaths yet) near the little town in Texas were I was born so now the entire city and half the county is in lockdown.
 

killivolt

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My Daughter called last night to say “Utah Valley Hospital” is sending a group of Nurses to New York to help out. I’m glad she will stay home with a new baby, she seen it as a great opportunity, once in a lifetime. I just can’t help but be selfish right now, in different circumstances I would agree, but with the rate of transmission in both the general public and health care workers falling victim to this virus, we still haven’t rounded the curve with no clear evidence it’s not going to surge a second time.

kv
 

Reloadron

Joined Jan 15, 2015
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My Daughter called last night to say “Utah Valley Hospital” is sending a group of Nurses to New York to help out. I’m glad she will stay home with a new baby, she seen it as a great opportunity, once in a lifetime. I just can’t help but be selfish right now, in different circumstances I would agree, but with the rate of transmission in both the general public and health care workers falling victim to this virus, we still haven’t rounded the curve with no clear evidence it’s not going to surge a second time.

kv
I know where you are coming from exactly. I was NYC born and raised and right now it's not where I would wish anyone to be. Girls I grew up with are nurses back there right now and I worry about them. A big logistics problem is where to store bodies. When Hurricane Sandy was approaching they shut down the city well in advance including the public transportation. They should have been on that again. The people density is incredible. I see it this way, your daughter is where she should be right now and she isn't missing anything.

Ron
 

MrAl

Joined Jun 17, 2014
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Yeah i was thinking that too, that the population density has a lot to do with the rate of spread.

But also i realized this might be a way Nature is trying to get us to be able to spell
"dizeeze" and
"viiruhus"

correctly. So take that Nature! Ha!
:)

Sincerely, from Going Stir Crazy in NJ, USA.

Amazon is strange too now with their orders being delayed by weeks sometimes.
My friend in CA needs some supplies and i am having a hard time getting them to her.
Such a shame this virus has such an impact on our world society in so many ways.
 
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