some Viruses can resurrect dead cells and clone themselves

Can you provide a link? I don't know what to Google to read about this.

 

Trees are chill and relatively simple construction. We in general aren't chill enough(for most parts of the population) or of a simple construction.

So sturdy yet so fragile, "Simple" yet so complex.

There is so much more that can go wrong with a human vs a tree imho...

 

Trees are chill and relatively simple construction. We in general aren't chill enough(for most parts of the population) or of a simple construction.

So sturdy yet so fragile, "Simple" yet so complex.

There is so much more that can go wrong with a human vs a tree imho...

You would think in all the world, there would be at least one person who was "chill" enough to live past 150. But nope, doesn't matter how you live, there is a limit to our age.

 

You would think in all the world, there would be at least one person who was "chill" enough to live past 150. But nope, doesn't matter how you live, there is a limit to our age.

I said we were complex creatures. The more features the device has, in more ways it can get broken.

 

You would think in all the world, there would be at least one person who was "chill" enough to live past 150. But nope, doesn't matter how you live, there is a limit to our age.

Yeah but all of those people were born before 1900. Jimmy Buffet and Bob Dylan are surely living until 150.

 

I said we were complex creatures. The more features the device has, in more ways it can get broken.

And my corollary of multi-tools is, the more things a tool can do, the less well it does any of them.

 

Yeah but all of those people were born before 1900. Jimmy Buffet and Bob Dylan are surely living until 150.

Don't jinx it there is a main guitarist that will surely outlive me and he's been declared dead before I was born.

 

http://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2014/11/do_trees_die_of_old_age.html
"The longer a tree is around the more opportunities it has to have something happen to it that leads to its death. This could be a lot of different things such as a storm, a disease, an insect infestation. Often a tree can survive numerous instances of potential death, but over time these instances can aggregate, or lead to a greater susceptibility to death. For example, a storm might knock off a tree limb, which might give the tree a higher risk of exposure to a disease....Or a tree might live for quite a long time, out growing trees in the area, making it more likely to be struck by lightning, or blown over in storm."

Seems that healthy trees are actually tolerant of lightning strikes.

The plains states and Florida have a lot of trees that are many decades old and there are also frequent lightning storms. If lightning strikes are always fatal to trees, after a few years there would be none left.

 

According to statistics, people are actually living longer than in the past.

I went to a track and field meet and there were about 10 athletes that looked like they were in their late 60s or early 70s. However, they could still run and jump like they were just in high school.

 

According to statistics, people are actually living longer than in the past.

What newspaper do you read? According to statistics, life expectancy fell last year -mostly because of the opioid epidemic and diseases associated with obesity/lack of exercise.

 

You would think in all the world, there would be at least one person who was "chill" enough to live past 150. But nope, doesn't matter how you live, there is a limit to our age.

Strantor, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm under the impression that you've been making your observations based on Bible stories.

Don't take me wrong, I'm a christian. But the Bible is not a manual of science, or even history. The Bible (for us believers) is a guide to salvation. Those who have tried to turn it into anything else have always crashed with the solid wall of material facts.

Yes, there was most definitely an Adam and an Eve, although not in the sense that most religious people believe. And yes, existence was created and it didn't just pop out of nothing (and those that say that "nothing" is actually something are contradicting themselves)

My point is, the Bible is a book of spirituality that should be interpreted in a spiritual sense. Especially the Old Testament. The only exception I personally make concerns the New Testament, but that's a different discussion. And I'd rather not get into that here.

So it's registered that Methuselah lived to be more than 900 years old.... What I believe is that oral history can greatly be distorted, but still hold an essence of truth without fully contradicting itself... All of history (and I include the Egyptians, Jews, and even old Saxons... think Beowulf) before the written word is like that. It wasn't until a graphic registry of events was fully developed that such distortions (or exaggerations) began to grow less.

And even then... we still read legends and stories from the middle ages... and new ones are being created in modern times.

 

According to statistics, people are actually living longer than in the past.

I've heard this idea many times.

 

I've heard this idea many times.

It's not just statistics. It's a fact.

 

Strantor, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm under the impression that you've been making your observations based on Bible stories.

Don't take me wrong, I'm a christian. But the Bible is not a manual of science, or even history. The Bible (for us believers) is a guide to salvation. Those who have tried to turn it into anything else have always crashed with the solid wall of material facts.

Yes, there was most definitely an Adam and an Eve, although not in the sense that most religious people believe. And yes, existence was created and it didn't just pop out of nothing (and those that say that "nothing" is actually something are contradicting themselves)

My point is, the Bible is a book of spirituality that should be interpreted in a spiritual sense. Especially the Old Testament. The only exception I personally make concerns the New Testament, but that's a different discussion. And I'd rather not get into that here.

So it's registered that Methuselah lived to be more than 900 years old.... What I believe is that oral history can greatly be distorted, but still hold an essence of truth without fully contradicting itself... All of history (and I include the Egyptians, Jews, and even old Saxons... think Beowulf) before the written word is like that. It wasn't until a graphic registry of events was fully developed that such distortions (or exaggerations) began to grow less.

And even then... we still read legends and stories from the middle ages... and new ones are being created in modern times.

Not just the Bible. If it were just the Bible I would have dismissed it a long time ago. The myths come from cultures all across the world.


http://www.ancient-origins.net/huma...really-have-lifespans-longer-200-years-002093


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longevity_myths

 

What newspaper do you read? According to statistics, life expectancy fell last year -mostly because of the opioid epidemic and diseases associated with obesity/lack of exercise.

If this is true (it could always be Fake News), I'd say Americans have given up smoking and taken up food and pain killers in exchange.

From personal experience, tobacco does add a bit of pleasure to life -- and gives you something to do with your mouth besides running it and filling it with food.

 

Can you provide a link? I don't know what to Google to read about this.

I can't find anything, it was an article in American Scientific, I have no idea the issue. I did find someone talking in the Physics Forum about that same thing.
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/viruses-can-make-zombie-cells-very-interesting.54269/

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Edit: After reading more I was able to find the citation.

The author of the artical is Luis (or Louis, it's spelled both ways) P. Villarreal. At the end of the article, they cite: Lateral Gene Transfer or Viral Colonization? by Victor DefFilippis and Louis Villarreal from Science, Vol 293, page 1048; August 10, 2001

Reference https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/viruses-can-make-zombie-cells-very-interesting.54269/

 

If this is true (it could always be Fake News), I'd say Americans have given up smoking and taken up food and pain killers in exchange.

As further proof: fat Asians are (relatively) rare. But they smoke like chimneys.

 

Hey!

Sorry to step on your toes. The chemicals I was referencing are the ones that aren't for nutrition but to make the food last longer, or easier to process. Or the fats added to make them taste better.

 

Sorry to step on your toes. The chemicals I was referencing are the ones that aren't for nutrition but to make the food last longer, or easier to process. Or the fats added to make them taste better.

Hey!

 

As further proof: fat Asians are (relatively) rare. But they smoke like chimneys.

Saw that with many of the people I grew up with who started smoking in high school to look cool or whatever. Most have given it up and it shows (for the worse) while most of us who never started show the opposite. Mid 40's and still in the better end of the fitness scale.

On gal who's about 1 - 2 years older than me has not despite having had a heart attack and one major multi bypass surgery to fix the damage from it. 4 - 5 kids plus grandkids, a all around good person and many reasons to live but she already passes for mid 50's and won't give smoking up to save her life.

Same with a few cousins of mine that are a good 10 years younger than me that smoke . I can pas for their age easier than they can and they can pass for may age easier than I do.