Why do we get old and die?

killivolt

Joined Jan 10, 2010
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I'm not Mormon because of the "Panning Effect" as I call it, like when you look into a Mirror with another behind you and see the same image Pan back farther and farther.

Mormons believe that Christ saved this Planet by will alone as I understand it, and that God lives on a Planet called "Kolob" in another universe or in this known universe, that makes sense to me then lends credibility to Seeding of a sort, ok I get that but then you must include the "Panning Effect"

A Gentalmen once in his best effort told me this was his belief until I ask him, tell me then who was the first God to rise from the primordial Oooz to begin this process?

I said, you do understand you believe in Evolution then correct? he was dumb founded, refusing to admit it. I said I have an answer that may be shocking to you, I said studying similar to "Cathardic" belief that energy was placed into a dead mass creating time and the universe and that same intelligence is living in all things and are made of light, therefor you are made of God himself and the spark of all things came by this Energy wither predetermined or by design. This Energy can neither be created or destroyed it just existed before time which is beyond your comprehension. I sent him on his way and said either that God or your God I said, go to the council of the Twelve or go to a Seventy who can tell you where your first God came from, six months later he came to me saying your right it can only be your God.

The idea of two Gods or principles, one being good and the other evil, was central to Cathar beliefs. The good God was the God of the New Testement and the creator of the spiritual realm, contrasted with the evil Old Testement God—the creator of the physical world whom many Cathars, and particularly their persecutors, identified as Satan. All visible matter, including the human body, was created by this evil god; matter was therefore tainted with sin.


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killivolt

Joined Jan 10, 2010
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Then there is the case of "Rasputin"

According to Yusupov's account, Yusupov invited Rasputin to his home shortly after midnight, and ushered him into the basement. Yusupov offered Rasputin tea and cakes which had been laced with cyanide. At first, Rasputin refused the cakes, but then began to eat them. To Yusupov's surprise, Rasputin did not appear to be affected by the poison. Rasputin then asked for some Madeira wine (which had also been poisoned) and drank three glasses, but still showed no sign of distress. At around 2:30 am, Yusupov excused himself to go upstairs, where his fellow conspirators were waiting. Taking a revolver from Dmitry Pavlovich, Yusupov returned to the basement and, referring to a crucifix that was in the room, told Rasputin that he'd "better look at the crucifix and say a prayer," then shot him once in the chest. Believing him to be dead, they then drove to Rasputin's apartment, with Sukhotin wearing Rasputin's coat and hat, in an attempt to make it look as though Rasputin had returned home that night. Upon returning to the Moika Palace, Yusupov went back to the basement to ensure that Rasputin was dead. Suddenly, Rasputin leapt up and attacked Yusupov, who - with some effort - freed himself and fled upstairs. Rasputin followed, and made it into the palace's courtyard before being shot by Purishkevich and collapsing into a snowbank. The conspirators then wrapped Rasputin's body in cloth, drove it to the Petrovsky Bridge and dropped it into the Malaya Nevka River.
Hard to kill.

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strantor

Joined Oct 3, 2010
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Ok so I've read most of the references posted in this thread and I still am curious about any possible link to our lifespan now, and the proposed lifespans from ancient texts.

With the knowledge that we have now, is there any room for truth in the old stories? Is it possible that the shortening of our telomeres today is more than it used to be, due to some change in atmospheric conditions? Is it possible that in the past humans were able to live hundreds of years? I am curious about these myths because they are common in a lot of ancient texts and I have trouble assuming that they all made up the same fairytales.
 

cmartinez

Joined Jan 17, 2007
8,768
Ok so I've read most of the references posted in this thread and I still am curious about any possible link to our lifespan now, and the proposed lifespans from ancient texts.

With the knowledge that we have now, is there any room for truth in the old stories? Is it possible that the shortening of our telomeres today is more than it used to be, due to some change in atmospheric conditions? Is it possible that in the past humans were able to live hundreds of years? I am curious about these myths because they are common in a lot of ancient texts and I have trouble assuming that they all made up the same fairytales.
You should read Tolkien's "The Silmarillion", he exposes an interesting theory of why man's lifespan grew shorter.
 

shortbus

Joined Sep 30, 2009
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Ok so I've read most of the references posted in this thread and I still am curious about any possible link to our lifespan now, and the proposed lifespans from ancient texts.
I think without him knowing it BR-549 is the closest to the answer of why people in the old testament and other books lived so long.
It all started with snack food.
When we stopped living off of raw, natural food, is when things started going down hill. The added chemicals in today's food, isn't a good thing for long life.
 

cmartinez

Joined Jan 17, 2007
8,768
I think without him knowing it BR-549 is the closest to the answer of why people in the old testament and other books lived so long.


When we stopped living off of raw, natural food, is when things started going down hill. The added chemicals in today's food, isn't a good thing for long life.
I agree that some modern chemicals are bad for us... but it's undeniable that our life quality, and lifespan, have increased exponentially since ancient times.
 

tcmtech

Joined Nov 4, 2013
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I think without him knowing it BR-549 is the closest to the answer of why people in the old testament and other books lived so long.
I have often pondered on whether or not the numbers for ages given are in some other time scale like months rather than years, but have been misinterpreted through the years due to translation errors and like being most every known ancient text found when compared to to its present day version (when their is one) tends to show a lot of errors in what was originally told Vs what is told now (especially where numbers and timelines/dates are concerned) despite being claimed to be hispotorcialy correct today.

600 years old? Not so plausible. But 600 months (~50 years old) yea. That's believable and would still be considered unusually old in that period of history.
 

killivolt

Joined Jan 10, 2010
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Your retired, oh wait you said eventually you will begin consulting, Nm.

I like Necromancy it's a fascinating thought Zombies etc. But, some Viruses can resurrect dead cells and clone themselves, I find that creepy since it's close to Holloween:eek:

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