voltage in a capacitor

Tonyr1084

Joined Sep 24, 2015
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I'm sorry, but using "resistance" as a measure of the capacitors slowing charge rate as its voltage rises, is not an appropriate use of that word, and likely confusing to a newbie.
Inductance has always been one thing that confuses me. I chose resistance because it lends itself to an understanding via ohms law. Yes, it's the wrong term - but for me it represents what's going on. The capacitor resists current as it's charge goes higher. That may be due to its inductance. But I think in simple terms.
 

crutschow

Joined Mar 14, 2008
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The capacitor resists current as it's charge goes higher. That may be due to its inductance. But I think in simple terms.
Sorry but you've over simplified.
The capacitor doesn't resist current, it's the reduction in charge current due to the source resistance.
Nothing to do with inductance.
 

MrChips

Joined Oct 2, 2009
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Resistance has a meaning of "opposition" in layman's terms.
AAC is All About Circuits. Let us prohibit lay usage when we talk about resistance.
When we refer to resistance we are referring to ohmic resistance. A capacitor does not "resist" the flow of current. The one thing we can say with respect to capacitors and resistors is that a capacitor has finite and measurable series resistance and inductance.

All connecting wires have finite and measurable resistance and inductance. Both of these will affect the charging behavior of a capacitor.
 

BobaMosfet

Joined Jul 1, 2009
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Hello. I am learning electronics and I have 3 questions.

1) How does behave the voltage in a capacitor when I connect it to a DC power supply, for example 10V? Is instantly 10V or is raising until is charged?

2) If I connect a capacitor to a AC power supply, at for example 60hz, the capacitor charge and discharge constantly. Is it possible that if I disconnect the capacitor will be without charge because in that exactly moment it was in the discharge moment?

Thank you

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atferrari

Joined Jan 6, 2004
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You say you used a small transformer and what else after it?
Could you show the actual circuit including the tea to and the capacitor under test as well?
 

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Rufinus

Joined Apr 29, 2020
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You say you used a small transformer and what else after it?
Could you show the actual circuit including the tea to and the capacitor under test as well?
The plug goes to 220VAC and the transformer gives 6V I tried connecting the alligator different times and every time the voltmeter gives different values and different polarities
 

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Audioguru again

Joined Oct 21, 2019
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A transformer has an AC input and an AC output. AC makes positive, negative, positive, negative, over and over. The polarity of the capacitor voltage and its amount of voltage depends on the moment the AC power or your voltmeter is disconnected.
 

MrChips

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The plug goes to 220VAC and the transformer gives 6V I tried connecting the alligator different times and every time the voltmeter gives different values and different polarities
It is not a good idea to apply AC voltages across a capacitor in the way you are doing it.
Tell us what you are attempting to do.
 

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Rufinus

Joined Apr 29, 2020
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I was triying to discover if I was right when I think that the voltage and the polarity of a capacitor changing depending on the moment I discconect the AC power supply.

The capacitor is rated for 330VAC. Why is what I was doing a bad idea?
 

WBahn

Joined Mar 31, 2012
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I was triying to discover if I was right when I think that the voltage and the polarity of a capacitor changing depending on the moment I discconect the AC power supply.

The capacitor is rated for 330VAC. Why is what I was doing a bad idea?
Because when you connect the supply to the capacitor they are almost always at different potentials and so you get a quick and large spike of current that isn't good for the capacitor or the transformer. At the voltage you are working at and with that size capacitor, it shouldn't be too bad, but abusing electronic components is a bad habit to get into (not that we haven't all done it, both intentionally and unintentionally).
 

atferrari

Joined Jan 6, 2004
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The plug goes to 220VAC and the transformer gives 6V I tried connecting the alligator different times and every time the voltmeter gives different values and different polarities
What I suspected
Somewhere in one of your posts you mention DC. Are you sure you know the difference between AC and DC?

Prior to insist in doing those tests, go and read to understand the basics. If you insist, better than AGT or BGT, the Darwin Awards are for you.
 

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Rufinus

Joined Apr 29, 2020
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WBahn
Yes yes, I know this is not the best way, but is an very old capacitor and is rated for 330, a much higher value than the power

atferrari

Yes, I think I know the difference. In DC the current allways follow the same direction and in AC changes, The times per second that it changes is the frecuency. 50hz in europe and 60hz in the USA for example. Right?

Believe me I have read a lot. For exameple, I have read the complete collection Basic Electricity: Complete Course

I don´t understand the mention about Darwin Awards.
 

MrChips

Joined Oct 2, 2009
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¡Ay, caramba!

The Darwin Awards are a tongue-in-cheek humor, originating in Usenet newsgroup discussions around 1985. They recognise individuals who have supposedly contributed to human evolution by selecting themselves out of the gene pool via death or sterility by their own actions.

... meaning you win this award when you kill yourself doing something you should not be doing.

You have not told us the capacitance value.
100μF @ 50Hz would have a reactance of 32Ω.
 

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Rufinus

Joined Apr 29, 2020
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¡Ay, caramba!

The Darwin Awards are a tongue-in-cheek humor, originating in Usenet newsgroup discussions around 1985. They recognise individuals who have supposedly contributed to human evolution by selecting themselves out of the gene pool via death or sterility by their own actions.

... meaning you win this award when you kill yourself doing something you should not be doing.

You have not told us the capacitance value.
100μF @ 50Hz would have a reactance of 32Ω.
Yes, I know this awards, for example the guy who killed himself with a 9V battery. Resistance is Futile

But I didn´t understand why he mentioned them. If is for risk, I am quite familiarised with 220 VAC. I worked as builder before I started the university and I have set up dozens of electric installations in houses. I learned about RCD´s phase, neutral ground and that kind of things, but I only learned the practical side. In any case, I know the risks.
 

WBahn

Joined Mar 31, 2012
32,891
¡Ay, caramba!

The Darwin Awards are a tongue-in-cheek humor, originating in Usenet newsgroup discussions around 1985. They recognise individuals who have supposedly contributed to human evolution by selecting themselves out of the gene pool via death or sterility by their own actions.

... meaning you win this award when you kill yourself doing something you should not be doing.

You have not told us the capacitance value.
100μF @ 50Hz would have a reactance of 32Ω.
https://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/threads/voltage-in-a-capacitor.171165/post-1529205

330 V, 60 μF

In another post he states that it is nonpolarized.

https://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/threads/voltage-in-a-capacitor.171165/post-1529225
 
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