I have three particular pet peeves. I always order no tomatoes, I always order drinks with no ice, and I always request fresh fries. I almost always get tomatoes, lots of ice, and dead fries.

The fries were the worst (though not any more since I can't have them any longer). I would be very explicit and say, "I would like FRESH fries -- as in the fries are currently frozen as we speak."

Apparently you don't have an "In and Out" they do fresh every time and the burgers are angus in a carton which doesn't allow the burger to be smushed down, I hate it when the food appears to nothing they have in a picture or TV.

As far as McDonalds fries everyone or most people like, they are a non-blemished potato that is put in a Warehouse then sprayed with Roundup and off gassed to speed up ripening process.

Last, I have several people who in the food industry can barely hold a conversation with me as their attention or retention is that of a guppy. I believe some could be saved by playing less video games and have real world games like Yahtzee, card, word, etc. These game involve human interaction and become complex in many cases.

Just saying, simple math simple strategies and team work.

kv

 

"Why would he be forced to pass all the Calculus classes for a BS degree in order to use Algebra and Geometry?"

Apart from anything else - Because mastery of any subject requires 'conversance' with the 'next step'!

Better to salvage idiots via proper education than to languish in a world populated by 'educated idiots'!

Best regards
HP

 

/--/
-- Mathematics is not merely an 'employment skill' nor merely a 'skill set' of any description! - It is, rather, the purest form of mental discipline! --- The suggestion that 95% of the populace are congenital 'dullards' is as misguided as it is offensive! -- That said, (at least) 95% of people are dullards for want of mental discipline!

Best regards
HP

Huh?

" It is, rather, the purest form of mental discipline!"
What? Did you win a contest? Why isn't it music or meditation or prayer or baking or government or the invention of the Mallowmar??

"95% of people are dullards"
This strikes me as an egregious and elitist misconception that embodies the very worst of Jungian, Freudian and Fundamentalist doctrine with a healthy dose of Nietzschian dogma and Ayn Rand babble sprinkles on top!! .

If you have data to support your claim, you need to get those published without delay! Sadly, and no amount of substitution of archaic synonyms (e.g., populace versus population) for common words to confer eccentrism rather than formality, can be proffered as justification. You may, in fact, be expressing an altogether different sentiment. That is, 95% of people are not as smart as you. If such a claim is examined further, however, it is entirely unremarkable. Assuming, for the sake of argument, that Intelligence, as measured by IQ score is normally distributed (and there are data to suggest, if not demonstrate, that both tails are elongated), then an IQ of a mere 124.8 makes you smarter than 95% of people. BFD. That characterization has no legal meaning and there is virtually no evidence to suggest that it is positively correlated with happiness or that it would make one the great arbiter of what defines the purest of mental disciplines.

Moreover, it is common as a University PhD without tenure.

Regarding the debate as to whether defining one as a "dullard" as a result of inherited versus environmental factors (couched in a projective test that you call "mental discipline"), everything one needs to know on the issue has been illustrated for all, regardless of IQ, in the classic 1935 video treatise, Hoi Polloi, which, in my opinion, should be a required component of the curriculum in all disciplines.

Warmest regards and a touch of, hopefully not too offensive, sarcasm.

RG

 

Huh?

" It is, rather, the purest form of mental discipline!"
What? Did you win a contest? Why isn't it music or meditation or prayer or baking or government or the invention of the Mallowmar??

"95% of people are dullards"
This strikes me as an egregious and elitist misconception that embodies the very worst of Jungian, Freudian and Fundamentalist doctrine with a healthy dose of Nietzschian dogma and Ayn Rand babble sprinkles on top!! .

If you have data to support your claim, you need to get those published without delay! Sadly, and no amount of substitution of archaic synonyms (e.g., populace versus population) for common words to confer eccentrism rather than formality, can be proffered as justification. You may, in fact, be expressing an altogether different sentiment. That is, 95% of people are not as smart as you. If such a claim is examined further, however, it is entirely unremarkable. Assuming, for the sake of argument, that Intelligence, as measured by IQ score is normally distributed (and there are data to suggest, if not demonstrate, that both tails are elongated), then an IQ of a mere 124.8 makes you smarter than 95% of people. BFD. That characterization has no legal meaning and there is virtually no evidence to suggest that it is positively correlated with happiness or that it would make one the great arbiter of what defines the purest of mental disciplines.

Moreover, it is common as a University PhD without tenure.

Regarding the debate as to whether defining one as a "dullard" as a result of inherited versus environmental factors (couched in a projective test that you call "mental discipline"), everything one needs to know on the issue has been illustrated for all, regardless of IQ, in the classic 1935 video treatise, Hoi Polloi, which, in my opinion, should be a required component of the curriculum in all disciplines.

Warmest regards and a touch of, hopefully not too offensive, sarcasm.

RG

Here is one such Theory and no I have no idea how it became a Theory either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_multiple_intelligences

kv

Edit: I earned PhD in Hard knock life. Self Granted Self Proposed notion to which I know a lot about a lot but, do no know them to a high degree, sometimes just enough to get the job done. As someone said, just enough is perfect.

 

Re: Mathematics -- Rather than embark upon what you're certain to misconstrue as 'religious' debate -- let's have a go at the veritable 'nub' of your objection, shall we?

"95% of people are dullards"

Indeed! It is my stance (based upon long-suffering observation) that (Re: Anglo culture) at least 95% of the adult populace (randomly sampled) are utterly averse to independent thought, frightened by all outside their experience/purview and with a preference for vicarious experience to active participation -- Succinctly - followers! ('dullards' being my 'kinder gentler' euphemism therefor)

If you have data to support your claim, you need to get those published without delay!

Howz about an anecdotal demonstration? -- Merely ask the next adult 'stranger' you encounter: "how far is it to [any community ≥ 50 Mi but ≤ 100 Mi distant]" -- Should they have any notion whatever (sans 'digital assistance') they'll likely relate said distance in temporal units (and, no! I don't mean via: t=2D/([√3]*c) - which would be a delightfully diverting response indeed!)

You may, in fact, be expressing an altogether different sentiment. That is, 95% of people are not as smart as you.

Nope! Merely that ≈95% percent of people are willing followers! - Point being that said dearth of character is not 'in the 'genes' (as others have suggested) but, rather, corollary of upbringing and environment ('societal norms' if you will) -- And, hence, reversible!

embodies the very worst of Jungian, Freudian and Fundamentalist doctrine with a healthy dose of Nietzschian dogma and Ayn Rand babble sprinkles on top!! .

--Emphasis added--

Functionalist, son - functionalist...

But then your (IMO faux) 'kalnienk' reading comprehension and failure to research references does not constitute inconsistency on my part -- Sorry

and no amount of substitution of archaic synonyms (e.g., populace versus population) for common words to confer eccentrism rather than formality, can be proffered as justification.

If you can't win on substance - attack grammar and usage! -- You go dude!

That characterization has no legal meaning and there is virtually no evidence to suggest that it is positively correlated with happiness or that it would make one the great arbiter of what defines the purest of mental disciplines.

No argument there! À la "It is your attitude, not your aptitude..."

Regarding the debate as to whether defining one as a "dullard" as a result of inherited versus environmental factors (couched in a projective test that you call "mental discipline"), everything one needs to know on the issue has been illustrated for all, regardless of IQ, in the classic 1935 video treatise, Hoi Polloi, which, in my opinion, should be a required component of the curriculum in all disciplines.

But then 'The 'Brothers Horowitz' and company were veritable aficionados of satire -- Always nice to meet another 3S fan, BTW!

Well hey! -- Seriously - If my post truly 'smacked' of materialism -- then one or both of us might benefit from work on our respective communication skills

Best regards
HP

PS

and *Ayn Rand* babble sprinkles on top!! .

--Emphasis Added--

--- You getting this @joeyd999 !?!?

 

Here is one such Theory and no I have no idea how it became a Theory either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_multiple_intelligences

Interesting article!

Best regards
HP

 

Re: Mathematics -- Rather than embark upon what you're certain to misconstrue as 'religious' debate -- let's have a go at the veritable 'nub' of your objection, shall we?



Indeed! It is my stance (based upon long-suffering observation) that (Re: Anglo culture) at least 95% of the adult populace (randomly sampled) are utterly averse to independent thought, frightened by all outside their experience/purview and with a preference for vicarious experience to active participation -- Succinctly followers! ('dullards' being my 'kinder gentler' euphemism therefor)




Howz about an anecdotal demonstration? -- Merely ask the next adult 'stranger' you encounter: "how for is it to [any community ≥ 50 Mi but ≤ 100 Mi distant]" -- Should they have any notion whatever (sans 'digital assistance') they'll likely relate said distance in temporal units (and, no! I don't mean via: 2D/([√3]*c) - which would be a delightfully diverting response indeed!)


Nope! Merely that ≈95% percent of people are willing followers! - Point being that said dearth of character is not 'in the 'genes' (as others have suggested) but, rather, corollary of upbringing and environment ('societal norms' if you will) -- And, hence, reversible!


--Emphasis added--

Functionalist, son - functionalist...

But then your (IMO faux) 'kalnienk' reading comprehension and failure to research references does not constitute inconsistency on my part -- Sorry


If you can't win on substance - attack grammar and usage! -- You go dude!


No argument there! À la "It is your attitude, not your aptitude..."


But then 'The 'Brothers Horowitz' were veritable aficionados of satire -- Always nice to meet another 3S fan, BTW!

Well hey! -- Seriously - If my post truly 'smacked' of materialism -- then one or both of us might benefit from work on our respective communication skills

Best regards
HP

PS

--Emphasis Added--

--- You getting this @joeyd999 !?!?

"Functionalist, son - functionalist..."

Son? SON??, now look here young lady, I chose fundamentalist not functionalist with intention. Not everything is your quote. It's that kind of self-centered myopia that leads you to the absurdly flawed and pretentious assumption that 95% of the population are "dullards".

Clearly, there are not enough emoticons to change your mind. I accept that.

"If you can't win on substance - attack grammar and usage!"
Again, there is that egocentric myopia - you are not the judge and there is nothing to win. You spoke your opinion, and I spoke mine.

"Howz about an anecdotal demonstration? -- Merely ask the next adult 'stranger' you encounter: "how for is it to [any community ≥ 50 Mi but ≤ 100 Mi distant]" -- Should they have any notion whatever (sans 'digital assistance') they'll likely relate said distance in temporal units (and, no! I don't mean via: 2D/([√3]*c) - which would be a delightfully diverting response indeed!)"

Sure, that's data irrefutably demonstrating that 95% of the population are "dullards" - a proposed procedure to ask people how far it is to Hypatiaville? Please, write that up and submit it to the Journal of "Gee I Want Things to be The Way They Are in My Mind".

"Seriously - If my post truly 'smacked' of materialism"
It's not that it smacked of materialism so much as that it was rife with ignorance....in my opinion.

"But then 'The 'Brothers Horowitz' were veritable aficionados of satire -- Always nice to meet another 3S fan"

That's what I mean. Great, you looked into the last and legal name of Howard and learned that it was Horowitz at the time of their birth (or should I say, at the time of their nativity), so you decided to use Horowitz, ostensibly to confer what, I don't know. But the 3, in 3S, with regard to the reference (because I know you are likely to use a Shemp defense), indicates the numeric quantity three. It clearly refers to the third member appearing in the referenced work, Larry Fine, who was distinctly not a "Horowitz" brother. Could you not have indulged the neurosis a little further to say the "Horowitz brothers along with Louis Feinberg"?

It is just plain unacceptable - sheesh, you youngsters with your crazy ideas.

Now you can have the last word....it's time for me to go yell at some kids on my lawn

Peace and no leaves.

 

Apparently you don't have an "In and Out" they do fresh every time and the burgers are angus in a carton which doesn't allow the burger to be smushed down, I hate it when the food appears to nothing they have in a picture or TV.

As far as McDonalds fries everyone or most people like, they are a non-blemished potato that is put in a Warehouse then sprayed with Roundup and off gassed to speed up ripening process.

Last, I have several people who in the food industry can barely hold a conversation with me as their attention or retention is that of a guppy. I believe some could be saved by playing less video games and have real world games like Yahtzee, card, word, etc. These game involve human interaction and become complex in many cases.

Just saying, simple math simple strategies and team work.

kv

We don't have In and Out. We do have Drifters, and they always serve fresh fries (and lots of them!). Sadly, they are off my list of consumables. They will also serve their hamburgers "natural style" (i.e., as a lettuce wrap instead of a bun) and they have BIG side salads for under $2.

I loved the McDonald's fries of 30 years ago -- back when places cooked things in lard and such.

 

We don't have In and Out. We do have Drifters, and they always serve fresh fries (and lots of them!). Sadly, they are off my list of consumables. They will also serve their hamburgers "natural style" (i.e., as a lettuce wrap instead of a bun) and they have BIG side salads for under $2.

I loved the McDonald's fries of 30 years ago -- back when places cooked things in lard and such.

Sounds like we're on the same or similar diet, I can't get over 365 grams of Cholesterol a day and observe intermittent fasting. I read a book called "The Plant Paradox" find it at Amazon read about it, the Doctor that wrote it has a very strong Medical Knowledge. I think you can find it cheaper at other sources though. I dropped my Cholesterol and avoided Statins. They are normal, I'll have it checked again soon to make sure I'm on track.

kv

 

Huh?

" It is, rather, the purest form of mental discipline!"
What? Did you win a contest? Why isn't it music or meditation or prayer or baking or government or the invention of the Mallowmar??

"95% of people are dullards"
This strikes me as an egregious and elitist misconception that embodies the very worst of Jungian, Freudian and Fundamentalist doctrine with a healthy dose of Nietzschian dogma and Ayn Rand babble sprinkles on top!! .

If you have data to support your claim, you need to get those published without delay! Sadly, and no amount of substitution of archaic synonyms (e.g., populace versus population) for common words to confer eccentrism rather than formality, can be proffered as justification. You may, in fact, be expressing an altogether different sentiment. That is, 95% of people are not as smart as you. If such a claim is examined further, however, it is entirely unremarkable. Assuming, for the sake of argument, that Intelligence, as measured by IQ score is normally distributed (and there are data to suggest, if not demonstrate, that both tails are elongated), then an IQ of a mere 124.8 makes you smarter than 95% of people. BFD. That characterization has no legal meaning and there is virtually no evidence to suggest that it is positively correlated with happiness or that it would make one the great arbiter of what defines the purest of mental disciplines.

Moreover, it is common as a University PhD without tenure.

Regarding the debate as to whether defining one as a "dullard" as a result of inherited versus environmental factors (couched in a projective test that you call "mental discipline"), everything one needs to know on the issue has been illustrated for all, regardless of IQ, in the classic 1935 video treatise, Hoi Polloi, which, in my opinion, should be a required component of the curriculum in all disciplines.

Warmest regards and a touch of, hopefully not too offensive, sarcasm.

RG

Hi,

As we learn we in turn learn how to learn better.

It appears that you've taken this to the extreme, the other direction of what was intended by HP i think.

I have to agree with her at least in part, because i see education as a whole where if one part is missing then something will be lost somewhere down the road.

Of course there will be arguments against this, especially with time becoming a more and more important aspect of life, but there are also arguments for, and skills learned in one discipline often carry over at least to some degree into another. We learn how to learn.

I have examples i'll hold off on for now.

The Washington Post reported that about 7 percent of the population believes that chocolate milk comes from brown cows.

 

@Raymond Genovese I totally agree that more like 98% of ppl are dullards the way HP defines it! But I say only 80% are just plain stupid!

Again, there is that egocentric myopia - you are not the judge and there is nothing to win. You spoke your opinion, and I spoke mine.

Now HP I say Raymond has a point cuz I say throwing in an _IMO_ here and there would go a long way towards courtesy!

Sure, that's data irrefutably demonstrating that 95% of the population are "dullards"

Raymond Genovese being fair HP said it was just anecdotal

It's not that it smacked of materialism so much as that it was rife with ignorance....in my opinion.

I say this is exactly like a political bicker cuz it's all just opinion so there's no ignorance or wisdom anywhere just lots and lots of hot air from both corners!

That's what I mean. Great, you looked into the last and legal name of Howard and learned that it was Horowitz

@Raymond Genovese It's all Leslie Nielsen's fault cuz HP has miles of old VHS tapes of Three Stooges shorts introduced by Nielsen and Stooge's family name was just some trivia from that program! I remember cuz HP got big laugh from idea that slapstick comedian Moe Howard's real name was _Moses Horowitz_ cuz it's totally too ultra religious sounding for slapstick silliness!

Just so you know I am NOT a three stooges fan at all! Cuz thanks to HP I had to sit through like years of it when I was a kid!

Now you can have the last word....it's time for me to go yell at some kids on my lawn

Raymond Tnx! Cuz the less HP gets sucked back on to these other threads the more time she has for work on our tutorials which are a year behind schedule and counting

t=2D/([√3]*c)

HP I say attribution would have been nice!

 

The Washington Post reported that about 7 percent of the population believes that chocolate milk comes from brown cows.

MrAl I wonder how they'd respond to claim that only abt 50% of birds lay eggs?

 

Mathematics is not merely an 'employment skill' nor merely a 'skill set' of any description! - It is, rather, the purest form of mental discipline!

HP I totally agree (which you know) but also I say math is the _soul_ of science! So if you think on it, so called science that, like you say, seeks to diminish dichotomy of human mind from corporeality (like psychology and anthropology) is almost always w/o solid mathematical foundation! Which I say makes it just dogma and not science at all! Also I say bad science is sometimes easy to spot cuz it usually tries to legitimize itself by relying on statistics so to have like _mathematical veneer_ all the same as over-unity and PX and like that!
So I'm not dissing stats but if it's all stats then I'm saying it's more defensive smokescreen than anything else

Full disclosure: I hold an MA in anthropology which I'm not proud of and have no plans of pursuing further! So yeah! I know! I wasted a lot of time and effort _finding myself_ and all that so plz just consider me adequately shamed, tnx!

 

Full disclosure: I hold an MA in anthropology which I'm not proud of and have no plans of perusing further! So yeah! I know! I wasted a lot of time and effort _finding myself_ and all that so plz just consider me adequately shamed, tnx!

Just curious, what made you choose anthropology as a major and why did you leave it?

 

Here's a great idea: let's dumb down our education system even more than it already has been!

Say Goodbye To X+Y: Should Community Colleges Abolish Algebra?

I wonder how many years will go by before we see calls to eliminate addition, subtraction, multiplication and division from the curriculum because they're "too hard"?

The future is here. And it ain't pretty.

Late to the thread... but my 2¢ are that it is indeed sad to see how when the education system begins to struggle with certain things, the people in charge lower the bar instead of doing their best to try and raise those who are being left behind.

 

Just curious, what made you choose anthropology as a major and why did you leave it?

Johnintx I chose anthropology cuz it seemed interesting at the time
So I know this won't sit well with some ppl but I'm independently wealthy enough not to need to choose career for purpose of livelihood. So I had privilege of pursuing studies in original spirit of _liberal arts_ education

Anyhow I was increasingly put off by anthropology's dehumanization of humankind to point of disgust! I say anthropology and most of psychology are the epitome of _bad science_ all the same as misanthropic religions are epitome of _bad spirituality_! So I stopped with masters degree (cuz I have hang-up about not quitting in middle of anything) and moved on to happier pursuits!

 

the people in charge lower the bar instead of doing their best to try and raise those who are being left behind.

cmartinez I totally agree!

 

I say anthropology and most of psychology are the epitome of _bad science_ all the same as misanthropic religions are epitome of _bad spirituality_

Hey now, Years ago I almost went for a psychology degree rather than my EE degree. Odds are I probably would have been pretty well off financially by now if I had don't it too!

But to be fair, yes, I too saw the less favorable side of psychology and how easily it could be abused for profit with very little valid oversight and cross checking of things on who gets diagnosed with what and why by whom.

 

Late to the thread... but my 2¢ are that it is indeed sad to see how when the education system begins to struggle with certain things, the people in charge lower the bar instead of doing their best to try and raise those who are being left behind.

Far easier for school administrators to lower the bar than it is to fire incompetent teachers or put up with the howls of indignation from incompetent parents when their precious Little Johnny gets the grade he actually deserves for his shoddy schoolwork. Best to just give him an "A" for attendance and pass him on to the next grade.

 

the people in charge lower the bar instead of doing their best to try and raise those who are being left behind.

Dragging things down in order to make the lesser end of the spectrum feel better about themselves is easier than bringing them up to a truly respectable level they have a legitimate right to feel good about.