Well, the bad part of that is: If you wake up to all peace and harmony, you are probably dead.
But I do think we could do better.

Yes, we can but the root cause of the problem is not police killings. Police killings are a symptom of a deeper problem in American culture today that's seen as economic and/or cultural depending on your viewpoint. Large numbers of people are not invested in civil behaviors because they see little advantage in doing so during their daily lives. Judging from recent riots the odds of a wholesale backing down from risk adverse policing seems unlikely.

https://www.app.college.police.uk/app-content/risk-2/risk/

 

Opening the door of all the funny farms hasn't helped. All those people are now on the streets. Or in prison. I've heard that Cook County jail is the largest mental health facility in the country.

 

Yes, we can but the root cause of the problem is not police killings. Police killings are a symptom of a deeper problem in American culture today that's seen as economic and/or cultural depending on your viewpoint.

No argument from me.

Large numbers of people are not invested in civil behaviors because they need(see) little advantage in doing so during their daily lives. Judging from recent riots the odds of a wholesale backing down from risk adverse policing seems unlikely.

Yes, it's getting close. But let me say, when people feel they have nothing to loose, the police may be among the first to suffer.

https://www.app.college.police.uk/app-content/risk-2/risk/

Sounds like motherhood to me.

 

No argument from me.

Yes, it's getting close. But let me say, when people feel they have nothing to loose, the police may be among the first to suffer.

The people who live in those areas are the first to suffer. The police drive in and out due to calls from those suffering people with little or no incentive to risk their lives for people they perceive as losers so it's no wonder that at the earliest legal point in an arrest they use the least riskiest option for them.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-police-elcajon-idUSKCN11Y0SV

 

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I found this interesting.
http://rare.us/story/study-whites-deal-more-drugs-but-blacks-get-arrested-more-often/

 

The people who live in those areas are the first to suffer. The police drive in and out due to calls from those suffering people with little or no incentive to risk their lives for people they perceive as losers so it's no wonder that at the earliest legal point in an arrest they use the least riskiest option for them.

Yep, I think I told the story before about a black guy from Oakland that was a recovering crack addict. His friends paid for his drug treatment. He made the comment to me that the cops were letting his brothers kill each other. Michael was a drummer that just loved his mom and his dogs.
I suppose he's probably dead now.
That was about 1996. Before everybody had an AR15. Soon when the cops come calling they will be out gunned and out manned and will abandon the hood.
Maybe we can build a wall around Chicago and Oakland, and maybe Baltimore and DC - especially DC. Might as well throw in Detroit, Memphis and Kansas City.

 

I am yet to see evidence of him pointing a gun at the police.

Here's a video demonstrating you don't need to point a weapon at the police to shoot. You can brandish a weapon in your pocket as well ...

 

time to turn to music...

 

Here the officer's threat response level was much lower.

 

Here's a video demonstrating you don't need to point a weapon at the police to shoot. You can brandish a weapon in your pocket as well ...

I would never have thought of that... this becoming a chicken and the egg argument

 

No chicken or egg argument from me.

Two seconds till death. The problem is there are 86400 seconds in a day. That's alot of two second time periods with every interaction between cops and the community they serve. Even the doomsday clock has a longer time.

 

am yet to see evidence of him pointing a gun at the police.

You will never appreciate what the police do for you until you have patrolled dangerous streets in a gun free zone.

See how long your philosophy will survive.

 

You will never appreciate what the police do for you until you have patrolled dangerous streets in a gun free zone.

I thought, "gun free zone" was the police definition of, "not dangerous".
If our government had their way, the whole country would be a gun free zone, because Officer Safety.

 

https://www.app.college.police.uk/app-content/risk-2/risk/

Interesting.
"For example, something may be extremely serious if it happens, but highly unlikely to occur at a particular time. A person can be killed crossing a road but this does not – and should not – stop people from crossing roads. If the potentially serious outcome is unlikely to happen, then it can be a wise risk to take."

Then a LEO attacks the jaywalker from behind and takes them to the ground, because less risk?
The the Chief of Police says, "She's lucky the officer didn't rape her."
WTF kind of risk management is that?

 

I thought, "gun free zone" was the police definition of, "not dangerous".
If our government had their way, the whole country would be a gun free zone, because Officer Safety.

Most street cops are very anti-gun control and know 'gun-free' zone means 'free-fire' zone for criminals and crazies.

Who want's gun-free zones?
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/lo...escending-on-the-UT-Austin-campus-9181629.php
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-t...us-carry-group-wants-to-reward-UT-7392932.php

 

I guess it's easy. For 10 or 20 million we could hand out 10,000 or so AR-15s to the black population in Houston and everybody would be safe. Probably a bargain.
We could pay for it by reducing the police budget.

 

I guess it's easy. For 10 or 20 million we could hand out 10,000 or so AR-15s to the black population in Houston and everybody would be safe. Probably a bargain.
We could pay for it by reducing the police budget.

In general the black population would be safer if properly trained people maintained order in their own neighborhoods. The law abiding people with families who live there know exactly who the scum are.

http://concealednation.org/2016/07/...ooters-by-forming-armed-neighborhood-patrols/
http://truthinmedia.com/detroit-citizen-dubbed-batman-for-armed-neighborhood-watch-patrols/

 

I have no doubt there are problems being created by out of control police officers. The attitude displayed by a sizeable fraction of them was described by my generation as "power tripping".

A perfect example come from a place called Montgomery County Texas. A female in custody was combative and had been placed in a 7 point restraint chair (she has some mental health issues) a few hours after being arrested. She was screaming and spitting on the police and being a general all around asshole.
AFTER she had been totally restrained a female guard came up to speak with her. Words were exchanged and something made the officer upset enough to leave and come back with pepper spray.
She put it a few inches from her face and soaked her down with it.
The whole thing is on vido on youtube. The officer has not been charged for it, nor has she even been repremanded in any way.

It illustrates the out of control cop issue very well.

When such abuses by law officials are not dealt with swiftly and publicly then the problem will only get worse. The honest hard working "good" cops should be the most concerned because this will only compound the danger to them from those seeking vengeance for such actions.

I am unsure what needs to happen to make the system change, but I know it won't be nice OR peaceful.

 

In general the black population would be safer if properly trained people maintained order in their own neighborhoods. The law abiding people with families who live there know exactly who the scum are.

http://concealednation.org/2016/07/...ooters-by-forming-armed-neighborhood-patrols/
http://truthinmedia.com/detroit-citizen-dubbed-batman-for-armed-neighborhood-watch-patrols/

Trained? You mean like the college kids?
Let's ask @Kermit2 what he thinks of the idea. Maybe we can start a movement. It's Texas you know.