This years winner for best actress. Rakeyia Scott.


First runner up.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/keith-lamont-scotts-wife-filed-restraining-orders-against-him/

I still think we need to go back to the beginning.
The guys in his truck smoking a join and playing with his gun. Probably because he sees some guys sitting in a car. Right?
So they run up and start screaming drop your gun.
If they would have seen the same thing thru his front window would it have been okay for them to break down the front door and tell him to drop his gun?
I think that's coming next.
If I owned a business downtown that got torn up or better yet the guy that got killed. I think I would sue the city. They had everything they needed to defuse the situation in the first 12 hours.

 

I still think we need to go back to the beginning.
The guys in his truck smoking a join and playing with his gun. Probably because he sees some guys sitting in a car. Right?
So they run up and start screaming drop your gun.
If they would have seen the same thing thru his front window would it have been okay for them to break down the front door and tell him to drop his gun?
I think that's coming next.
If I owned a business downtown that got torn up or better yet the guy that got killed. I think I would sue the city. They had everything they needed to defuse the situation in the first 12 hours.

The difference is brandishing a firearm in public. Even in an open carry state you can't do that in pubic. If the guy in the house is pointing a weapon at people as they walk past his front window that's illegal brandishing of a firearm.
http://firearmtrainingstore.com/about-us/blog/what-is-brandishing/

VA law:

• Any police officer in the performance of his duty, in making an arrest under the provisions of this section, shall not be civilly liable in damages for injuries or death resulting to the person being arrested if he had reason to believe that the person being arrested was pointing, holding, or brandishing such a firearm or air or gas operated weapon, or object that was similar in appearance, with intent to induce fear in the mind of another.

Sue the city for not proving the facts of a shooting in 12 hours to a large fraction of people who had already decided from hearing lies the cops killed a man holding a book, that's an insane predicate for a case of loss by riot against the government.

 

The difference is brandishing a firearm in public. Even in an open carry state you can't do that in pubic. If the guy in the house is pointing a weapon at people as they walk past his front window that's illegal brandishing of a firearm.
http://firearmtrainingstore.com/about-us/blog/what-is-brandishing/

We could discuss this, but there is no clear evidence either way.

Sue the city for not proving the facts of a shooting in 12 hours to a large fraction of people who had already decided from hearing lies the cops killed a man holding a book, that's an insane predicate for a case of loss by riot against the government.

I didn't say proving - providing would work for me.
Video of holster, holster as evidence, and gun did it for me.
But after so much time have they be doctored? That's what makes people wonder.
The guy may have been shot on another day, but withholding what they had did him in during the riots.
You will never convince me the wife couldn't have ended the whole thing without a shot.

 

http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/...ted-berating-sheriff-clarke-fllight/91061628/

According to the passenger, Bluntson, who is African-American, repeatedly used a racial epithet, accused Clarke of “closing our parks” and said the sheriff is “not one of us.”

A number of people tried unsuccessfully to engage Bluntson — who appeared to be drinking throughout the flight — and to get him to calm down but without success, the passenger said. He added that Clarke responded only once, telling the man to “shut up.”

“In all my years flying, I’ve never seen anything like it,” the passenger said.

“The sheriff handled himself extremely well. It could have gotten a lot worse because the guy was not backing down.”

 

We could discuss this, but there is no clear evidence either way.
...
You will never convince me the wife couldn't have ended the whole thing without a shot.

The police didn't pick him at random. Their choice to investigate Scott as a threat seems to have been correct.

The wife was a lying sack of rocks. Judging from his past there might have been a murder suicide if she was allowed to be near him with a gun in his hand.

 

The police didn't pick him at random. Their choice to investigate Scott as a threat seems to have been correct.

Oh, I thought they were there on another case. Were they after him for something?

The wife was a lying sack of rocks. Judging from his past there might have been a murder suicide if she was allowed to be near him with a gun in his hand.

Or she didn't know he had a gun. Seems he listened to her when she told him to get out of the car.
http://www.policemag.com/channel/swat/articles/2004/03/talking-him-down.aspx

 

Oh, I thought they were there on another case. Were they after him for something?


Or she didn't know he had a gun. Seems he listened to her when she told him to get out of the car.
http://www.policemag.com/channel/swat/articles/2004/03/talking-him-down.aspx

He was just at the wrong place and time. I should clarify, they where there on another case but he stood out from the background so their selection of him as a person of interest was not random. First by smoking dope and second by the brandishing of a gun. If the guy had just kept the gun in the ankle holster the odds are today this would have never happened.

I've no idea of his motives for leaving the car but it doesn't seem like from current information it was to drop the gun and surrender when commanded by police or by the wife saying his name, 'Don't (you) do it!'. Those last statements from her IMO are directions to stop him from doing something that even she could see would turn out badly.

 

He was just at the wrong place and time. I should clarify, they where there on another case but he stood out from the background so their selection of him as a person of interest was not random. First by smoking dope and second by the brandishing of a gun. If the guy had just kept the gun in the ankle holster the odds are today this would have never happened.

I've no idea of his motives for leaving the car but it doesn't seem like from current information it was to drop the gun and surrender when commanded by police or by the wife saying his name, 'Don't (you) do it!'. Those last statements from her IMO are directions to stop him from doing something that even she could see would turn out badly.

Funny how you can hear it differently.
The part I remember is the cop calling for a baton and her saying don't make them break the window. I interpret the don't you do it as talking to the cops.
Sounded like a break in to me.

 

Funny how you can hear it differently.
The part I remember is the cop calling for a baton and her saying don't make them break the window. I interpret the don't you do it as talking to the cops.
Sounded like a break in to me.

I do hear it differently but it's not a big deal.
She was talking to the cops but she also prefaced statements with his name, similar to how a person would talk to a child in an absolute direct manner when in danger.

POLICE OFFICER: Drop the gun! Let me get a [bleep] baton over here.

RAKEYIA SCOTT: Keith, don’t let them break the windows. Come on out the car!

POLICE OFFICER: Drop the gun!

RAKEYIA SCOTT: Keith, don’t do it.

POLICE OFFICER: Drop the gun!

RAKEYIA SCOTT: Keith, get out the car. Keith, Keith! Don’t you do it. Don’t you do it. Keith! Keith! Keith! Don’t you do it! [bleep]! Did you shoot him? Did you shoot him? Did you shoot him? He better not be [bleep] dead! He better not be [bleep] dead! I know that [bleep] much. I know that much, he better not be dead! I’m not going to come near you; I’m going to record, though.

 

Well, it's harder work to talk them down, but I think it's worth it. Even for a "bad dude."
He's safe in the truck.

 

What we do know with certainty is that you cannot de-escalate police. To me it sounds like she shouted to the police cause she saw them all with their guns pointed at him. I am yet to see evidence of him pointing a gun at the police.

 

What we do know with certainty is that you cannot de-escalate police. To me it sounds like she shouted to the police cause she saw them all with their guns pointed at him. I am yet to see evidence of him pointing a gun at the police.

Let me say first that people who don’t make stupid life decisions; are compliant with police when contacted; and who don’t resist detention or arrest; almost never have problems with police; or end up hospitalized or in a morgue. What we need is to reduce almost never to zero as the horrific cases that do involve excess force must be stopped. Cases where there is a loaded gun in a persons hand are not the types to de-escalate or disengage.

Pointing a gun at the police:

 

in the multiple cases discussed, who pointed the gun at the police?

Seems to me it is very appropriate to be using picture of the strawman here...

 

 

in the multiple cases discussed, who pointed the gun at the police?

Let's add a few cases.
https://www.odmp.org/officer/22734-police-officer-thomas-w-cottrell-jr
https://www.odmp.org/officer/22733-police-officer-douglas-scott-barney-ii
https://www.odmp.org/officer/22739-sergeant-jason-goodding
https://www.odmp.org/officer/22745-deputy-sheriff-derek-geer
https://www.odmp.org/officer/22749-senior-deputy-mark-f-logsdon
https://www.odmp.org/officer/22752-police-officer-jason-moszer
https://www.odmp.org/officer/22786-corporal-nate-carrigan
https://www.odmp.org/officer/22788-officer-ashley-marie-guindon
https://www.odmp.org/officer/22792-police-officer-david-stefan-hofer
https://www.odmp.org/officer/22811-police-officer-iii-allen-lee-jacobs

There are many more cases but usually if you wait until a gun is pointed at you that means a high likelihood of being shot and killed.

 

I see you maintain the point that anyone suspected by police should be shot as a preventive measure. So i could be walking down a street in a trance, someone reports me to police, they ask me to raise my hands up, I do not comply. If my arms are in my pockets, then, by your logic I should be shot. Afterall, I am a potential threat. Thank you for clarifying the procedure. It is now fully confirmed that you place life of police officers above that of evereone else.

 

2015 data, but I doubt it's changed much. Seems like we could do better, don't you think?
http://www.mintpressnews.com/776-people-killed-by-police-so-far-in-2015-161-of-them-unarmed/209127/

 

I see you maintain the point that anyone suspected by police should be shot as a preventive measure. So i could be walking down a street in a trance, someone reports me to police, they ask me to raise my hands up, I do not comply. If my arms are in my pockets, then, by your logic I should be shot. Afterall, I am a potential threat. Thank you for clarifying the procedure. It is now fully confirmed that you place life of police officers above that of evereone else.

 

2015 data, but I doubt it's changed much. Seems like we could do better, don't you think?
http://www.mintpressnews.com/776-people-killed-by-police-so-far-in-2015-161-of-them-unarmed/209127/
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Yes, I would love peace and harmony.

 

Yes, I would love peace and harmony.

Well, the bad part of that is: If you wake up to all peace and harmony, you are probably dead.
But I do think we could do better.