In general the black population would be safer if properly trained people maintained order in their own neighborhoods. The law abiding people with families who live there know exactly who the scum are.

http://concealednation.org/2016/07/...ooters-by-forming-armed-neighborhood-patrols/
http://truthinmedia.com/detroit-citizen-dubbed-batman-for-armed-neighborhood-watch-patrols/

Maybe we could get George Zimmerman to teach some classes.

 

College kids? Do you mean like the 19 year old HS grads who have been trained to handle full-auto weapons in a combat zone? There's no reason 'College kids' can't be just as responsible for simple gun defense we demand it instead of treating them like big babies.

 

Maybe we could get George Zimmerman to teach some classes.

George Zimmerman is proof that stupid people exist, big deal.

 

College kids? Do you mean like the 19 year old HS grads who have been trained to handle full-auto weapons in a combat zone? There's no reason 'College kids' can't be just as responsible for simple gun defense we demand it instead of treating them like big babies.

No, I was thinking more like this:

 

No, I was thinking more like this:
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Frat boy lightweights.

 

Currently our police officers are tasked with enforcing laws and acting as revenue collection enforcement agents. The drug war mentality which evolved from political pandering and personal enrichment efforts of politicians in response to genuine concerns of honest citizens has created this mess.
The low pay and dangerous working conditions in combination with training that emphasizes one size fits all, totalitarian responses to possible unlawful individuals AND hiring preferences that weed out more thoughtful, higher IQ applicants makes it a very desirable job for a very unstable, violence prone sub group of the human genome.
In school, we called them bullies. They are varied in type but have one thing in common. They crave authority over others.

The whole system needs to be overhauled. Pay should be much higher and very careful screening and weeding out of psychologically unsuitable trainees should be used. Combine the very high pay with an oversight system that discharges people immediately upon suspicion of ANY improper use of authority. By doing so, you might bring in a group of people who do not get drunk on their own power over others and can actually apply intelligence or common sense to the limitless number of unique situations the human animal creates in its darwinian struggles of stupidity.
High pay, and high turn over would eventually bleed the system of those who abuse it's immense public service responsibility, and restore the trust of those it serves.
Also the war on drugs, or, as I like to think of it, the effort to stop self intoxication by means of substances some people don't like.
Human psychology reveals that such efforts are a waste of time.
Large numbers of people seek to self medicate to relieve stress and worry created by society. This is a fact of life, and any one who tries to make one method acceptable and restrict others only manages to create outlaws. DARWIN will cure those who choose poorly. For the majority life will continue to be stressful and most will find stress relief in one or another mostly harmless substance.
We shouldn't try to legislate away human nature. Natural selection will accomplish that in short order.
There are enough real problems, like theft, murder and rape, to keep a law enforcement official very busy. Human vices come in as many flavors as humans themselves. We shouldn't try to be the judge of which ones are good and which are bad. Fill the prisons with law breakers and not with people who use "unapproved" methods of mental stress relief.

To much rant to spell check...read at your own risk.

 

Currently our police officers are tasked with enforcing laws and acting as revenue collection enforcement agents. The drug war mentality which evolved from political pandering and personal enrichment efforts of politicians in response to genuine concerns of honest citizens has created this mess.
The low pay and dangerous working conditions in combination with training that emphasizes one size fits all, totalitarian responses to possible unlawful individuals AND hiring preferences that weed out more thoughtful, higher IQ applicants makes it a very desirable job for a very unstable, violence prone sub group of the human genome.
In school, we called them bullies. They are varied in type but have one thing in common. They crave authority over others.

The whole system needs to be overhauled. Pay should be much higher and very careful screening and weeding out of psychologically unsuitable trainees should be used. Combine the very high pay with an oversight system that discharges people immediately upon suspicion of ANY improper use of authority. By doing so, you might bring in a group of people who do not get drunk on their own power over others and can actually apply intelligence or common sense to the limitless number of unique situations the human animal creates in its darwinian struggles of stupidity.
High pay, and high turn over would eventually bleed the system of those who abuse it's immense public service responsibility, and restore the trust of those it serves.
Also the war on drugs, or, as I like to think of it, the effort to stop self intoxication by means of substances some people don't like.
Human psychology reveals that such efforts are a waste of time.
Large numbers of people seek to self medicate to relieve stress and worry created by society. This is a fact of life, and any one who tries to make one method acceptable and restrict others only manages to create outlaws. DARWIN will cure those who choose poorly. For the majority life will continue to be stressful and most will find stress relief in one or another mostly harmless substance.
We shouldn't try to legislate away human nature. Natural selection will accomplish that in short order.
There are enough real problems, like theft, murder and rape, to keep a law enforcement official very busy. Human vices come in as many flavors as humans themselves. We shouldn't try to be the judge of which ones are good and which are bad. Fill the prisons with law breakers and not with people who use "unapproved" methods of mental stress relief.

To much rant to spell check...read at your own risk.

I'm not so sure about the hard drugs that are addictive. I think they lead to unemployment and force people to turn to crime to support the addiction. But having said that jail is no substitute for treatment of addiction.
Marijuana on the other hand accounts for half of the drug arrests and I think it should be legalized.
I'm off to get one of my Colorado lollipops.

 

I'm off to get one of my Colorado lollipops.

Well... that explains a lot!

 

Just put'em in a special treatment center with clean needles, nurses and all the pharmaceuticals they desire.

Like I said... DARWINIAN processes will cure the human race of easily addicted genomes, and those who "need" such dangerous addictive drugs will be in a clean, supporting environment with medical and psychological help at the ready for those who are able and willing to be saved.
It really would be a win, win situation. You can have the mood enhancing substance of your choice and human society would not have to suffer the continued proliferation of those genes OR the crime that springs from our current system of dealing with it.

I know. I know. I'm such a humanitarian.
and I'm devilishly handsome as well.

 

Just put'em in a special treatment center with clean needles, nurses and all the pharmaceuticals they desire.

Like I said... DARWINIAN processes will cure the human race of easily addicted genomes, and those who "need" such dangerous addictive drugs will be in a clean, supporting environment with medical and psychological help at the ready for those who are able and willing to be saved.
It really would be a win, win situation. You can have the mood enhancing substance of your choice and human society would not have to suffer the continued proliferation of those genes OR the crime that springs from our current system of dealing with it.

I know. I know. I'm such a humanitarian.
and I'm devilishly handsome as well.

Hee, Hee, I ask my wife about it - She worked in a treatment center - She didn't think it would work.
I hope I'm never alone with a broken ankle and need you to help me.

 

I'm not so sure about the hard drugs that are addictive. I think they lead to unemployment and force people to turn to crime to support the addiction. But having said that jail is no substitute for treatment of addiction.

Hard drugs have a tendency to turn people into zombies that would steal from their own crippled grandmother. I've had a few addicts in the family who were banned until they cleaned up. Letting DARWIN handle it would cause a great amount of pain on innocents until they were awarded.

 

DARWIN will cure those who choose poorly.

And I approve of that idea!
I think really stupid people should be allowed to experience the natural/expected/predictable results of their behavior.
I just don't believe a police bullet should be the predictable result of stupidity.

Examine Portugal. They decriminalized all drugs and the the death rate (and HIV rates [future death]) decreased.
Darwin didn't become busier.
This seems to indicate that the War on Drugs causes more deaths, not less.
Maybe freedom in this pursuit of inebriation (or medication) changes the drug market in ways that are safer.
The bottom line is, less deaths happened, even if I don't know how the sum of all behaviors make this work.
(One test result is worth a dozen theories.)

 

And I approve of that idea!
I think really stupid people should be allowed to experience the natural/expected/predictable results of their behavior.
I just don't believe a police bullet should be the predictable result of stupidity.

I've no problem with it being a predictable but rare result of stupidity for their award ceremony.
I would settle for learning experience from their stupid actions in almost all cases.
Stupid

 

Along with decriminalizing self-medication, I'd love to see how the geopolitical aspects would play out. I mean, it would be a big "up your's" to the narco states of Colombia, Afghanistan, Mexico, and who knows where else. We could tell them we're not going pay premium prices anymore, which our own laws have propped up, and we now expect to pay at a wholesale level with global competition. There are a LOT of dollars at risk that I'd love to see go to legal entrepreneurs. Bye-bye cartels.

The money is probably at least a part of why this hasn't happened yet. A few politicians getting cartel money is enough to prevent decriminalization.

 

Just put'em in a special treatment center with clean needles, nurses and all the pharmaceuticals they desire.

A great idea.

I would add that all the money needed to finance such facilities will be collected exclusively from those taxpayers who support such an idea.

Those of us who don't support such an idea don't need to pay for it.

Sounds fair, doesn't it?

 

war on anything results in only one thing... but we have come up with words ti explain things away and deflect... collateral damage etc...

What is the outcome of the war on drugs? Anyone following the money trails?

 

What is the outcome of the war on drugs? Anyone following the money trails?

The 'War on Drugs' was/is a complete failure that resulted in a vast increase in police powers and a net destruction of liberties in this country. A lot of us are old enough to remember when it started (~1971) with as usual 'the best intentions'.

It depends on the drug as some are beneficial to war.
https://web.archive.org/web/2014092...e.wired.com/medtech/health/news/2003/02/57434

But the Defense Department, which distributed millions of amphetamine tablets to troops during World War II, Vietnam and the Gulf War, soldiers on, insisting that they are not only harmless but beneficial.

In a news conference held in connection with Schmidt and Umbach's Article 32 hearing, Dr. Pete Demitry, an Air Force physician and a pilot, claimed that the "Air Force has used (Dexedrine) safely for 60 years" with "no known speed-related mishaps."

The need for speed, Demitry added "is a life-and-death issue for our military."

 

What is the outcome of the war on drugs? Anyone following the money trails?

A few politicians getting cartel money is enough to prevent decriminalization.

Look to Kratom. A medicinal tree in S.E. Asia.
Americans discovered it so the DEA immediately placed it in Category I because no pharmaceutical companies were making money from it.

As Cassius Kamarampi points out, three synthetic opioids, in particular, were synthesized from the alkaloids in kratom from 2008- 2016: MGM-9, MGM-15, and MGM-16.

the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) just announced they will ban the popular pain relief supplement kratom by placing it on the Schedule 1 list, which denotes “no currently accepted medical use” (except for those 3 patented components owned by American pharma companies.)

If there is no medical use, why are the pharma companies selling the Kratom components?

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/pharma-kratom-dea-patent/

Same as marijuana. You can't buy pot because it has no medicinal value, but you can get a prescription for the active ingredient as a pill called, "marinol".

 

Same as marijuana. You can't buy pot because it has no medicinal value, but you can get a prescription for the active ingredient as a pill called, "marinol".

I think you can just about eliminate marijuana from 'the War'.
http://dailyleafdeals.com/

 

A great idea.

I would add that all the money needed to finance such facilities will be collected exclusively from those taxpayers who support such an idea.

Those of us who don't support such an idea don't need to pay for it.

Sounds fair, doesn't it?

Sure, that sounds fair. I don't support welfare increases for people who have more children in order to collect larger welfare payments. So, by your rules I can stop paying taxes for it. And as long as it gets people out of paying taxes, I'm sure everyone will find programs they are no longer willing to support and then we can all stop paying taxes.
Congratulations, you've solved Americas tax paying problems. Let's pack up the politicians and shut government down because we don't want to pay for it any more.