The war on cops, another chapter

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shortbus

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this has instructions to jury - so why have police at all? all I get from them is perceived threat...

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/0...-case-were-in-favor-of-acquitting-cop-report/

I am actually still trying to understand the verdict based on this definition of negligence and how they determined that he was not responsible... Is it that they deemed the officer to not be a reasonable prudent person perhaps? He is certainly not guilty of that...

How can this even be defended? If the officer smelled pot , he certainly did not mention it at the scene. The whole sequence is less than 3 min in total. He hands the cop his license and obviously reaches for his registration which is prob in his glove compartment where the officer would see a gun that he tells him about. The officer freaks. He does not give him further instructions, but just goes ahead and shoots the guy.

To the comment that Castile failed to follow what they teach you, I am sure he did, and so would 90% of the people in his situation.

Ever been pulled into a secondary at an airport and asked "why are you nervous"? oh, I don't know, because I am in a caged white room with armed people? Do you think I have anything to be nervous about, cause I think I do - I am not in control of my life, someone else is. And how my day goes depends on what they had for breakfast.
Did you read JJ's replies to me about this? He is the 'online' decider of what is right and wrong in this case. Or any case for that matter. His view is final he should be along soon to point this out. :)
 

justtrying

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Did you read JJ's replies to me about this? He is the 'online' decider of what is right and wrong in this case. Or any case for that matter. His view is final he should be along soon to point this out. :)
Yes.

To add, one thing that bothers me is the following - out of all the professions out there, what gives the police a unique right to eliminate the potential threat to their life? People die at work every day, there are dangerous jobs out there

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/cfoi.pdf

if only fishermen and loggers could eliminate their threats so easily... but fishermen and loggers I know take pride in their work and respect the environment they work in.
 

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wayneh

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...what gives the police a unique right to eliminate the potential threat to their life?
We do, their employers. It's part of the 'deal' we make to get police to work for us at the low wages we pay them. (I'm not saying this is right, only that it's currently true.)
 

justtrying

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We do, their employers. It's part of the 'deal' we make to get police to work for us at the low wages we pay them. (I'm not saying this is right, only that it's currently true.)
To make it clear - you give them the right to kill your own? Or you think things would be different if they had higher salary?

Sounds a bit like the drug war in Phillipines right now, everyone ia happy until the kid that is shot is theirs. Seems how human mind works everywhere
 

nsaspook

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I can't remember where I said, "The war on drugs is just a business model", but here is more evidence. The FBI just busted the CIA smuggling drugs, some of which were "destroyed" California marijuana.
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cia-agent-busted-running-massive-drug-smuggling-operation/
Where does it say and what is the evidence this guy (a Medic who was used by the CIA while he was on active duty for security "a trigger-puller") was anything but a low-life drug smuggling ex-sailor. To say he was in some official government capacity is fake news of the BS kind.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/former-navy-seal-arrested-for-drug-smuggling/
"A company official told CBS News that the firm had not heard from or employed Smith for the past five years."
 

JoeJester

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He hands the cop his license and obviously reaches for his registration
Opinion isn't fact.

Another eyewitness to the incident. How do you know what he was reaching for? From the dash cam you can't tell shit. From the ex post facto GF's cam and narrative you still can't tell shit. Of course both videos could be lying. Yes I heard him saying he was reaching and I heard the cop say don't move. He continued to disregard the officers instructions, as well as the normal CFL training. Where did he get his CFL? Did you read the transcript from his BCA interview?
 

#12

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I know this happens first hand.
My brother-in-law was in his driveway, in Kentucky, sitting in a car, about 1/4th of a mile from any public road, listening to a baseball game on the radio and drinking beer. A LEO drove up our private drive, between thick forest on both sides, and charged him with DUI. He demanded a jury trial and the charges were dropped.
 

#12

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Where does it say and what is the evidence this guy was anything but a low-life drug smuggling ex-sailor.
The first sentence: In a major display of hypocrisy, a CIA agent was charged this week running a massive drug smuggling operation out of North Carolina.
And then this:Some of the marijuana that was being trafficked was actually legally grown in the United States, coming from California, which read, “Unlawful to redistribute.”

How did a private citizen get confiscated California marijuana?
 

justtrying

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CIA and drugs go hand in hand like nothi
Opinion isn't fact.

Another eyewitness to the incident. How do you know what he was reaching for? From the dash cam you can't tell shit. From the ex post facto GF's cam and narrative you still can't tell shit. Of course both videos could be lying. Yes I heard him saying he was reaching and I heard the cop say don't move. He continued to disregard the officers instructions, as well as the normal CFL training. Where did he get his CFL? Did you read the transcript from his BCA interview?
How do you know he was reaching for his gun? Did the cop ask where his gun was? Most people I know carry their registration in the glove compartment.

I know nothing about the training, but I know how average people react.

Look at the video again and justify a 10 s shooting.

What I wrote is not an opinion, but some deductions based on how people react in general. The patterns are common. The officer gives him no further instructions regarding seeing his permit, neither does he point the gun at him prior to shooting so that he (the victim) can actually properly asess the situation he is in.

http://www.senategop.state.il.us/Portals/0/14 Concealed Carry v4.pdf

based on instructions in here, Casile did nothing wrong. Officer needs to request him to disclose the location of the firearm.
 

justtrying

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The first sentence: In a major display of hypocrisy, a CIA agent was charged this week running a massive drug smuggling operation out of North Carolina.
And then this:Some of the marijuana that was being trafficked was actually legally grown in the United States, coming from California, which read, “Unlawful to redistribute.”

How did a private citizen get confiscated California marijuana?
maybe they should bring back Air America...
 

nsaspook

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The first sentence: In a major display of hypocrisy, a CIA agent was charged this week running a massive drug smuggling operation out of North Carolina.
That's why the CIA part of this is a fake news story. Where is the evidence he was a CIA agent at the time of the arrest? Zero is the answer.

The source story say nothing about him being with the CIA in any capacity during his drug operations.
CBS
"A former Navy SEAL is facing federal criminal charges for his ties to a major marijuana drug smuggling operation."

This seems to be the source of the CIA agent stuff.

http://www.thestate.com/news/local/crime/article157056844.html
According to the website of a security and crisis management company that Smith worked for, Smith was in the SEALs for 16 years and was recruited by the CIA as “a special agent for the Office of Security.” As a SEAL, Smith served in Iraq and was awarded a Bronze Star with V for heroism in combat and was awarded a Special Operations Medic of the Year award. With the CIA, he provided security for U.S. and foreign clients in war-zone environments, including Afghanistan, Haiti, Pakistan, Africa and Latin America, the website says.
So he worked with the CIA security detail before he joined later a company that hasn't heard nor seen him in five years. That seems like a solid CIA drug smuggling operation connection.
How did a private citizen get confiscated California marijuana?
They didn't.

Some of the the dope was locally grown but not legal for sale in California.
Some of the marijuana seized in a storage unit belonging to Carl Rye was apparently legally grown medical marijuana and came from California. It was marked “Unlawful to redistribute,” according to the complaint.
 

JoeJester

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I don't know what he was reaching for. That is the point.

I've seen a video where the cop was just talking to an individual and when that person made their move it was from zero to cop shot in very little time. I doubt it was more than two seconds.

So, if you want to speculate (opine) what someone was doing, you can. Don't claim it's a fact.

Why did Castile ignore the officers instruction to not move?
 

#12

Joined Nov 30, 2010
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maybe they should bring back Air America...
Air America, the movie, was inspired by observing the CIA.
Of course the CIA is squeaky clean and has never deliver so much as a marijuana joint.

http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/two...g-mexican-border-with-1300-pounds-of-cocaine/
http://www.military.com/daily-news/...cia-special-agent-charged-drug-smuggling.html
http://www.collective-evolution.com...ggling-airline-for-heroin-the-911-connection/
http://humansarefree.com/2017/02/pablo-escobars-son-reveals-his-dad.html
https://isgp-studies.com/cia-heroin-and-cocaine-drug-trafficking

Over two years later, the CIA admitted the reporter had been accurate when it was forced to disclose it had a "secret" arrangement with the US Justice Department. This agreement ensured that drug traffickers deemed to be "assets" or "contract employees" of the CIA would not be charged. The agreement had it roots in 1954, when the Justice Department agreed that the CIA, were free to decide if any illegal activities of its agents were subject to prosecution.

http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/cia_drug_trafficking.htm

And in today's news:
New History Channel series explores the dark corners of prohibition and takes viewers on great, freaky trip.
"There's a huge story to be told," says Anthony Lappé, "about the actual extent of the U.S. government's involvement in drug trafficking."

https://reason.com/blog/2017/06/23/anthony-lappe-lsd-heroin-cia-podcast
 
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