People are acting like there are no reviews when a cop discharges his weapon.

Police Treat Police Crimes Like Workplace Incidents Shrouded in Secrecy
http://www.copblock.org/166405/poli...like-workplace-incidents-shrouded-in-secrecy/

 

There are reviews. Most are internal and nothing is done. So far I was sble yo make following conclusions:

- complying with police orders does not guarantee your safety (i.e they still perceive threat)
- being in police custody, handcuffed and sedated does not guarantee your safety (perceived threat again)
- internal investingations tend to clear all charges. At most, the officer is transferred somewhere else

As an unarmed citizen, I perceive threat from an armed police officer shouting in my face, how is this not a violation if my rights?

 

As an unarmed citizen, I perceive threat from an armed police officer shouting in my face, how is this not a violation if my rights?

It depends. If the officer is shouting in your face to possibly save your life then I can't see a violation.

 

“If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell”
Carl Sandburg

Nsaspook last sentence in Sandburg quote sounds like advice taken by Nikita Khrushchev But I say available facts are on my side and anyhow my shoes are too light duty to use for gavel

 

Nsaspook last sentence in Sandburg quote sounds like advice taken by Nikita Khrushchev But I say available facts are on my side and anyhow my shoes are too light duty to use for gavel

I'm old enough to remember those precious moments.

 

Rings true, even in this thread.

I prefer Mark Twain's version:

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes."​

 

We need an invention. A device that is incapacitating but not lethal.

That would be nice, but anything that can incapacitate a 250+ pound, drugged up psycho will be awfully rough on a frail suspect.

Even if such a thing were possible, I'd want the ability to fire from the same weapon as my lethal force, with just a quick flip of a safety. If I were a cop I might be OK with my weapon set to stun by default. But I'd sure as hell want to go lethal very quickly if I had to. This is assuming we never get something that can incapacitate as quickly and effectively as a bullet.

 

I might be OK with my weapon set to stun by default.

"Set Glocks on, 'stun' captain."

Good point about the difference between a 250 pound gorilla on drugs and a 95 pound woman on menopause.
You can't use the same stun setting on both of them, but why stun the lol (little old lady) when you can discourage her with a dirty look?
"Duh...because training!"

 

why stun the lol (little old lady) when you can discourage her with a dirty look?

#12 It's called equal OPPRESSION under the law

 

I'd want the ability to fire from the same weapon as my lethal force, with just a quick flip of a safety. If I were a cop I might be OK with my weapon set to stun by default. But I'd sure as hell want to go lethal very quickly if I had to. This is assuming we never get something that can incapacitate as quickly and effectively as a bullet.

You have less than two seconds to go from stun to deadly.

Here's one from Dallas Police Association ...

 

You have less than two seconds to go from stun to deadly.

Here's one from Dallas Police Association ...

That video just reinforces that the position of hands is a critical factor in police shooting. Watching hands is as old as Confucius if your job is to control another person. That's the primary factor I look at for police misconduct. If a person is shot with the hands clearly in an open and idle condition then there better be a damn good reason more than fear or panic to justify it.

 

this is interesting - http://www.interpol.int/content/download/19112/169308/version/1/file/The Effectiveness of Use of Force Simulation Training Final Report – Carleton University.pdf

 

Great demonstration. How to do a kill shot against a bar-b-que fork.
OMG! I feared for my life!!! He was, "charging"!!!
Then the video shows the "suspect" casually walk right by as if the gun man wasn't even there.
No intent. No attack. No lunge. No charging. No survival.
Great job on that, "comply or die", officer.

 

does anyone else find strange that they shot people they were not even there to arrest or serve warrant on? last two - the guy with the truck in the middle of the road and the guy in Charlotte City...

 

Then the video shows the "suspect" casually walk right by as if the gun man wasn't even there.

That's why the officer cam videos will at times be deceiving. The bad cops will learn how to game and position themselves to alter the perspective of events.

 

does anyone else find strange that they shot people they were not even there to arrest or serve warrant on? last two - the guy with the truck in the middle of the road and the guy in Charlotte City...

What strange is a possibly impaired driver with an impaired car in the middle of the road that others reported to the police and a guy (convicted violent felon banned from owning a gun) in a car holding a gun instead of reading a book.

 

The bad cops will learn how to game and position themselves to alter the perspective of events.

I especially like the one where they jump in front of a car and claim, "He was trying to run me over."
It was only a few months ago when a Georgia LEO forgot to move out from behind his car and jump in front of the moving car. He did a perfect head shot through the passenger window during his, "split second, life or death decision" and was charged with murder.

I also learned about the scenario where the cop shoves the suspect and then claims he was trying to escape.
Or they can just neglect the shove and claim attempted escape, anyway.
Meh. It's only gong to be an "internal" investigation if anybody complains, and probably not even that. After all, cops tell the truth all the time and all suspects lie.

 

After all, cops tell the truth all the time and all suspects lie.

I figure cops are like the general population, 1% are total psychopaths. Most of these psychopaths don't act out because they fear getting caught but a sizable percentage will if given the chance with a badge and gun. The problem for police departments is most of these guys are also good at presenting a nice face until they go psycho. The psychological exam for police fitness is a joke.

 

What strange is a possibly impaired driver with an impaired car in the middle of the road that others reported to the police and a guy (convicted violent felon banned from owning a gun) in a car holding a gun instead of reading a book.

Not strange. Police is supposedly trained to deal with this very situation in order to deescalate it. This was reported. Impaired driver means that this is a difficult situation to resolve. This person will not listen/understand instructions. How about the time they shot at the acoustic patient and his caretaker?

Ok, I work at the hospital and we have something called code white - a code for patients exhibiting violent behavior. If we, the staff working at the hospital were like the police, can you imagine the death toll at the hospitals and nursing homes? What do you think happens to people going through withdrawals? Do they deserve to die because I, a professional who chose to be paid to work in this environment has suddenly decided that my life is more important than theirs and that I perceive a threat?

p.s. I do take into account that most police encounters are without issues, however the fact that police departments are not dealing with those that go badly speak for itself. Also, notice that even in the training video they speak of lack funding...

 

Not strange. Police is supposedly trained to deal with this very situation in order to deescalate it.

I agree, so the reason it might be strange was primarily caused by the person who got shot.