http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/crime/article103973781.html

I see a man facing away from the police and no evidence of anything in his hand. After the kill, no video of a gun on the ground and nobody kicking at anything on the ground, just a rush to handcuff the dying man instead of rendering medical assistance.
“Officer Vinson fired his issued service weapon, striking Mr. Scott. Officers immediately rendered first aid"
Oh...handcuffs are, "first aid".
Sorry. My bad.

Now Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Chief Kerr Putney confirms the gun was in the car, not in his hand.
Officers were going to continue on their original mission until an officer spotted a weapon in the vehicle, Putney said.
“It was not lawful for him to possess a firearm,” Putney said.

Obviously another ambush.

 

So, would you be incompetent if a non-complient person was ignoring your instructions when he outweighs you by 100 or so lbs?

How come you didn't handle the situation?

What are the expected outcomes of the situation? Were you supposed to arrest the person? Are you alone or with a partner? There is supposed to be job specific training to over-ride your natural instincts.

This is why I find inviting regular people to do police simulations rather strange, an untrained person should, by definition of being untrained shoot in every case. What does that prove? Police shootings are justified because police fear for their life? Is that not the job!?

So far, I am yet to see a video where a split second decision needed to be made on whether to shoot or not shoot. If the police are that afraid of people in vehicles, then they should stop approaching the vehicles because what I see makes no sense to my thought process. Why? When I make decisions, safety of other people comes first and I will put my life second no matter what I do... that is the difference in thinking.

 

I see a man facing away from the police and no evidence of anything in his hand. After the kill, no video of a gun on the ground and nobody kicking at anything on the ground, just a rush to handcuff the dying man instead of rendering medical assistance.

Clean your eyes.

This is from the wifes video.

Another clip of the cops standing over the gun. See how his foot is guarding the gun in the crime scene.

 

So far, I am yet to see a video where a split second decision needed to be made on whether to shoot or not shoot.

Good point.
This, "split second, life-or-death" scenario only seems to happen in training.
(Most of these dead guys have bullet holes in their back.)

 

Clean your eyes.

I see. The gun is 3 or 4 feet behind the car after the guy was shot standing by the driver's door.

 

This thread is so frustrating!
In my perception, most of your viewpoints aren't valid.

Ever have a young guy at work have his wife get pregnant with their first child! He has no point of reference to understand any advice you may have. None. He cannot understand anything you might want to say. Sleeping through the night? Colic? Going out alone without a child? Fuggedaboutit! But he always had a response you know was misguided.

It's like this. A rare few people can understand the perspective of a police family. And I suspect all of those people are NOT involved in a his thread.

I find this thread sad for this reason.

 

I see. The gun is 3 or 4 feet behind the car after the guy was shot standing by the driver's door.

Just flat out say it, 'it's a police drop gun' and be done with this.

 

Just flat out say it, 'it's a police drop gun' and be done with this.

I hope the citizens of Charlotte agree.
Otherwise, hiding this video during 4 days of rioting would serve no purpose.

 

I find this thread sad for this reason.

After that last comment about the gun I agree.

 

Would I be alive today if the police were called by my neighbours?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/24/baltimore-man-tawon-boyd-dies-after-he-called-911

This is like shooting fish in a barrel. I don't even have to search history to find these things. They are in the news every day.

 

I hope the citizens of Charlotte agree.
Otherwise, hiding this video during 4 days of rioting would serve no purpose.

I guess they had a drop weed blunt too.

and gun

with the holster.

 

police family... I am sorry, but this will not get sympathy from me. Stop being a policeman before you start shooting people dead, save yourself and victim's families the pain and suffering. Thank you.

Yes I am using the word victim becuase even if the person shot is a multiple offender, a policemen has no authority to sentence them to death without a trial.

 

Why did the upstanding citizen keep that video from the public?

 

WARNING Dashcam of the shoot.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...says-Keith-Scott-lethal-threat-shot-dead.html


You can see the officer in red move his position to the gun and cover it while others cuff the guy. The two officers near the truck did not shoot.

There is a gun holster on his right leg.

 

can someone explain why he was shot? I did not see him aim a gun at anyone... I also heard no-one asking him to surrender to the police. This, to me only makes things worse

 

can someone explain why he was shot? I did not see him aim a gun at anyone... I also heard no-one asking him to surrender to the police. This, to me only makes things worse

Listen to the wife video for them screaming for him to drop the gun.

Holster on leg after shooting.

before shooting.

 

Why did the upstanding citizen keep that video from the public?

Because he's not the Chief of Police?
Because it's not his job?
Because the authorities can trace almost any internet posting back to its source?

 

did I say he had no weapon? you are not replying to my comment. At the moment he was shot, as per what I can make out, he is not posing an immediate threat to the officer who shot him... I do not see him pointing a weapon at the officer. I do see several officers pointing weapons at him. If I was in his situation and not of clear mind, I would end up same as him. This is a problem.

Additionally, what happened to - tasers, rubber bullets, and tranquilizers?

about the photos - the holster is on his right leg. In the photo we can see his right arm and he is not holding a gun. So it must have been in his left hand? But the gun is later on the right side of his body? Ok.

 

Holster on leg after shooting.

Holster on ANKLE after shooting.
It took me three looks because I was looking for a holster at waist level or thigh level where he could reach it while standing straight up and facing away from the officer.

 

did I say he had no weapon? you are not replying to my comment. At the moment he was shot, as per what I can make out, he is not posing an immediate threat to the officer who shot him... I do not see him pointing a weapon at the officer. I do see several officers pointing weapons at him. If I was in his situation and not of clear mind, I would end up same as him. This is a problem.

This is not a problem. There is no police force in the world who would have let him even start to level a gun in that position, NONE. This is not the movies or TV. Now that I can see most of what happened this looks more like a suicide by cop as it was just about 100% sure he was headed back to jail for a long time.