Problems clocking a cd4027 with 74hc74

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animationman

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I have taken all of these comments into account and updated the circuit. It is drafted through Kicad and used for etching a PCB. Thanx for all of your input .
 

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dl324

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I have taken all of these comments into account and updated the circuit.
  1. You have still not taken my advice that the voltage regulators aren't guaranteed to regulate without the specified minimum load current.
  2. You're still drawing "spaghetti" schematics (unnecessary wire jogs and wire crossings) after I gave you an example with better component placement and flow.
  3. You are using connection dots inconsistently.
  4. Since you refuse to disclose the voltage the CMOS IC's are operating at, you'd be better off using a zener instead of a 7805 (U3).
  5. I mentioned in my first post that you should use a PNP if you want to drive a coil high side. You continue to disregard that feedback and added two more instances.
  6. The usage of a voltage regulator to switch a relay is very unusual.
 
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animationman

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  1. You have still not taken my advice that the voltage regulators aren't guaranteed to regulate without the specified minimum load current.
  2. You're still drawing "spaghetti" schematics (unnecessary wire jogs and wire crossings) after I gave you an example with better component placement and flow.
  3. You are using connection dots inconsistently.
  4. Since you refuse to disclose the voltage the CMOS IC's are operating at, you'd be better off using a zener instead of a 7805 (U3).
  5. I mentioned in my first post that you should use a PNP if you want to drive a coil high side. You continue to disregard that feedback and added two more instances.
  6. The usage of a voltage regulator to switch a relay is very unusual.
1. I am using the lm317 because the output of the JK flip flop are driving the gates to an Hbridge that pulls 50 ma. this is why there are transistors at Q and Qnot.
2. I am using a program called Kicad it makes connections this way to know where the traces will lay within the pcb. It is a pcb program I am etching my own board. Sorry if it hurts your eyes to see it this way just please have patience I have only been learning on my own for four months.
3. Kicad.
4.The lm324 op amp is operating off of a 20 volt battery and the 7805 is merely a reference voltage for terminal 2 and the potetiometer to terminal three is tuned to provide < 5 volt reference so that the lm324 output is low.
The 74hc14 and 4026 are at 6 volts along with the hbridge enable, and vin to the hbridge.
5. The lm324 operates on the battery so when it drains past 12 volts I want everything to shut off including the opamp. In turn the relay will be in its normal position with out any voltage to the coil disconnecting the rest of the circuit. Maybe I am misinterpreting you and apologize.
6. The trigger is also the charge to the battery the relay I have operates on 12 volts and the trigger is 28 volts it opens the contacts , stopping the monorail at one end of the track then the JK flips and when the charge is turned off the hbridge is reversing polarity and the monorail goes to the other end repeating the process back and forth. There are ferrous proximity switches at each end of the track that trigger timer relays for 30 seconds providing the charge and that is also what the trigger is connected to. Again, sorry for my grammar.
 

dl324

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1. I am using the lm317 because the output of the JK flip flop are driving the gates to an Hbridge that pulls 50 ma. this is why there are transistors at Q and Qnot.
I was referring to U1 and U3.
2. I am using a program called Kicad it makes connections this way to know where the traces will lay within the pcb. It is a pcb program I am etching my own board. Sorry if it hurts your eyes to see it this way just please have patience I have only been learning on my own for four months.
3. Kicad.
Not a credible excuse. There is no placement correlation between a wire in a schematic and a trace on a PCB. All connectivity is in the form of a netlist that lists connections, but doesn't specify routing.
4.The lm324 op amp is operating off of a 20 volt battery and the 7805 is merely a reference voltage for terminal 2 and the potetiometer to terminal three is tuned to provide < 5 volt reference so that the lm324 output is low.
The 74hc14 and 4026 are at 6 volts along with the hbridge enable, and vin to the hbridge.
The way you're using the 7805 guarantees that it will never satisfy the minimum 5mA load requirement.
5. The lm324 operates on the battery so when it drains past 12 volts I want everything to shut off including the opamp. In turn the relay will be in its normal position with out any voltage to the coil disconnecting the rest of the circuit. Maybe I am misinterpreting you and apologize.
Still makes no sense. When you drive high side with an NPN transistor, the voltage of the driving signal determine the voltage and current the load will receive. If you use conventional wisdom, that isn't the case.
6. The trigger is also the charge to the battery the relay I have operates on 12 volts and the trigger is 28 volts it opens the contacts , stopping the monorail at one end of the track then the JK flips and when the charge is turned off the hbridge is reversing polarity and the monorail goes to the other end repeating the process back and forth. There are ferrous proximity switches at each end of the track that trigger timer relays for 30 seconds providing the charge and that is also what the trigger is connected to.
What I said is that switching a voltage regulator as you're doing is very unusual. It takes time for a regulator to settle. It would be more typical to use a transistor to switch the load.
Again, sorry for my grammar.
Who said anything about grammar?

Since you brought it up, if you use the numbered list option, your list would be easier to read.
 

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animationman

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I was referring to U1 and U3.
Not a credible excuse. There is no placement correlation between a wire in a schematic and a trace on a PCB. All connectivity is in the form of a netlist that lists connections, but doesn't specify routing.
The way you're using the 7805 guarantees that it will never satisfy the minimum 5mA load requirement.
Still makes no sense. When you drive high side with an NPN transistor, the voltage of the driving signal determine the voltage and current the load will receive. If you use conventional wisdom, that isn't the case.
What I said is that switching a voltage regulator as you're doing is very unusual. It takes time for a regulator to settle. It would be more typical to use a transistor to switch the load.
Who said anything about grammar?

Since you brought it up, if you use the numbered list option, your list would be easier to read.
I brought up my grammar because I know it is horrible thats all.
Dont know how to give the opamp a reference voltage without using the 5 volt regulator and it is working so I used it. What else could I use that stays stable 5 volts as the battery drains?
What else do you want to know about U1 I explained already.
At this point I appreciate your help but I think I am done with this thread it seems to aggravate and I am maybe too new in this for this forum I am messing up too much.
 

ebp

Joined Feb 8, 2018
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If you are operating the LM317s that power the HC14 and the flip flop at 5 volts, you could use a 7805 instead and save the voltage setting resistors and the trim pot.

Unless you are doing something quite unusual, you don't need to trim the supply voltage for the ICs to exactly 5 volts. The HC series and 4000 series will operate over quite wide voltage ranges (especially the 4000 series, but when you mix the series it is usually easiest if both are operated from the same voltage). Even TTL, which is fairly fussy about supply voltage, will run happily with the normal tolerance of the 7805 output voltage.
 

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animationman

Joined Apr 3, 2018
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If you are operating the LM317s that power the HC14 and the flip flop at 5 volts, you could use a 7805 instead and save the voltage setting resistors and the trim pot.

Unless you are doing something quite unusual, you don't need to trim the supply voltage for the ICs to exactly 5 volts. The HC series and 4000 series will operate over quite wide voltage ranges (especially the 4000 series, but when you mix the series it is usually easiest if both are operated from the same voltage). Even TTL, which is fairly fussy about supply voltage, will run happily with the normal tolerance of the 7805 output voltage.
I agree Im going to try all of that out on the breadboard and get rid of lm317 altogether and use a transistor instead of relay.
 

MisterBill2

Joined Jan 23, 2018
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Really, both the 4027 and the LM2907 will be quite happy with a 12 volt supply. But be sure to include the resistor shown in the LM2917 application notes.
 
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