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spinnaker

Joined Oct 29, 2009
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Where was that?

Here is from my childhood vacations...North central MN



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It was just north of Klamath, CA which is the first town across the northern California border. Just look on google maps for Trees of Mystery. It is right there.


If you look just south of there, you will see both Coastal Dr and Alder Camp Road. It is supposed to be a back road limited to cars only (no RVs) . We made the steep climb to Coastal Drive. It has been grown over for years! We then tried Alder Camp Road. Got turned back by a guard. Turns out that road is a prison! We had to go back down the steep climb then climb the same mountain on Route 101. I don't think I have ever been more tired after a ride than that one. :(
 
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nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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Repairing a 30 year leak under the floor.

I just love replacing a section of subfloor from years of water damage and the wife just can't understand why it's not done in 1 day. :(



Blocking the hole with 2x4 for the thick underlayment patch boards. A fun weekend indeed.;)
 

#12

Joined Nov 30, 2010
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I just love replacing a section of subfloor from years of water damage
Some of my most memorable fun was pulling down the particle board under a leaky mobile home toilet.:eek:
It isn't really bad if it's only water.:D
It isn't really awful if you aren't laying UNDER it to pull the rot out.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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Some of my most memorable fun was pulling down the particle board under a leaky mobile home toilet.:eek:
It isn't really bad if it's only water.:D
It isn't really awful if you aren't laying UNDER it to pull the rot out.
Particle board is the devils gift to mankind. I remodeled all the original baths with their nasty particle board and leaking wax rings years ago.
 
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justtrying

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I went looking for sun... no luck. 200 km round trip and saw it mocking me high above the clouds for about a minute. Nice visit to the hotsprings thouIMG_5163.JPGIMG_5157.JPG

Desolation Sound - BC has quite the names for some of its waterways...
 

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cmartinez

Joined Jan 17, 2007
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Repairing a 30 year leak under the floor.

I just love replacing a section of subfloor from years of water damage and the wife just can't understand why it's not done in 1 day. :(



Blocking the hole with 2x4 for the thick underlayment patch boards. A fun weekend indeed.;)
Funny, but that baseball cap lying on the bottom right tells me more abot the scale of things than the measuring tape itself...
 

strantor

Joined Oct 3, 2010
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My dog Walter was bitten on the nose by this water moccasin a few hours ago. It was hiding under my kids' play fort while my daughter was inside. If not his barking I would not have known that my daughter was in danger. Poor dude is not feeling well.
 

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killivolt

Joined Jan 10, 2010
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My dog Walter was bitten on the nose by this water moccasin a few hours ago. It was hiding under my kids' play fort while my daughter was inside. If not his barking I would not have known that my daughter was in danger. Poor dude is not feeling well.
Thats horrible, I'm glad your daughter is safe.

kv

Edit: If it's like a Rattle Snake bite, the flesh begins to die. His senses will be lost and swell, I would have take him to the Vet, not good at all.
 

strantor

Joined Oct 3, 2010
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Thats horrible, I'm glad your daughter is safe.

kv

Edit: If it's like a Rattle Snake bite, the flesh begins to die. His senses will be lost and swell, I would have take him to the Vet, not good at all.
Thanks for the heads up. It's a water moccasin AKA cottonmouth. We have a problem here with them especially after wet weather. This is his 3rd bite to the face. First two times I took him to the vet, I was expecting they were going to give him antivenin or something but they didn't. I don't remember the explanation but basically it wasn't needed and they just gave him benadryl and told me to give him lots of benadryl at home. This time I'm not keen on paying $100 to be told to give him benadryl. I'm confident he will be fine.
 

wayneh

Joined Sep 9, 2010
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I'm confident he will be fine.
Well thanks for the photo. Now I know what nightmares I'll be having tonight. :eek: (I'm a little over-sensitive about snakes.)

I'd do a lot more research if I were you. Maybe the vet is right but water moccasin bites are quite serious for a human and I would imagine even moreso for a dog. I guess you both have previous experience but there may be a dose effect that is hard to predict, if he got a bigger dose this time.

Gawd I hate snakes. Did I mention that I hate snakes?
 

strantor

Joined Oct 3, 2010
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Well thanks for the photo. Now I know what nightmares I'll be having tonight. :eek: (I'm a little over-sensitive about snakes.)

I'd do a lot more research if I were you. Maybe the vet is right but water moccasin bites are quite serious for a human and I would imagine even moreso for a dog. I guess you both have previous experience but there may be a dose effect that is hard to predict, if he got a bigger dose this time.

Gawd I hate snakes. Did I mention that I hate snakes?
Sorry if I've "triggered" you LOL.
I have done some more reading I didn't see anything that made me more concerned. Especially considering his rapid improvement. Actually what I read made me think that maybe the terror of cottonmouth bites have been exaggerated in common knowledge. They are something to go to the hospital for if you're a human (esp a child), but very rarely deadly. Not nearly as nasty as a rattlesnake bite. And I think dogs bodies (esp big dogs like Walter) are better equipped to handle the toxins than ours.

Within a minute or two of being bitten, he was "out of it;" very lethargic, mentally compromised, would not eat or drink. By bed time last night he was already back to being his old self. This morning he is very energetic, hungry, apparently all better except the swelling, and even that has gone down a little too.
 

wayneh

Joined Sep 9, 2010
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Within a minute or two of being bitten, he was "out of it;" very lethargic, mentally compromised, would not eat or drink. By bed time last night he was already back to being his old self. This morning he is very energetic, hungry, apparently all better except the swelling, and even that has gone down a little too.
Your post got me wondering and I read a little on how the venom works. It's hemotoxic! It can actually cause bleeding from the eyes and orifices in seriously bitten victims. What little I saw suggests that if the victim is already recovering, it should be fine although it might suffer some tissue damage in the bitten area.

I'm actually much less afraid of "big" snakes. They're easier to see, identify and avoid. Bigger the better. The ones that make me crazy are the ones about the size of a pencil that can hide anywhere and disappear quickly. I know, rationally, that these tiny creatures probably don't have enough venom to be a real threat.
 

strantor

Joined Oct 3, 2010
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"Big" snakes I think are less often venomous. Like massive boa constrictors. I think your "irrational" fear might be based on subconscious science.
 

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cmartinez

Joined Jan 17, 2007
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Your post got me wondering and I read a little on how the venom works. It's hemotoxic! It can actually cause bleeding from the eyes and orifices in seriously bitten victims. What little I saw suggests that if the victim is already recovering, it should be fine although it might suffer some tissue damage in the bitten area.

I'm actually much less afraid of "big" snakes. They're easier to see, identify and avoid. Bigger the better. The ones that make me crazy are the ones about the size of a pencil that can hide anywhere and disappear quickly. I know, rationally, that these tiny creatures probably don't have enough venom to be a real threat.
There are a few coral snakes where I live, and I'm terrified of them. But rattlesnakes are far more common... gosh... now I have the willies to! ...
 

strantor

Joined Oct 3, 2010
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There are a few coral snakes where I live, and I'm terrified of them. But rattlesnakes are far more common... gosh... now I have the willies to! ...
Where I grew up there were coral snakes, rattle snakes, and copper heads (among many non poisonous snakes). There is a harmless snake that looks just like a coral snake; My dad taught me some thumb rule about coral snakes I can't quite remember, but something like "red touches yellow, you're a dead fellow"

I didn't commit it to memory because my feeling then and my feeling now, is that the only good snake is a dead snake. I killed numerous snakes as a kid. Mostly copperheads. Never ran across a rattler though they were around.

I am going now to get the girls new boots that fit. New rule; you don't play outside unless wearing boots. Actually not a new rule, but it's going to be enforced from now on. My daughter was barefoot at the time. Had she been bitten, I would have never forgiven myself .
 

wayneh

Joined Sep 9, 2010
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I'm not a "kill 'em all" guy, but that would probably change if the snake were both poisonous and on my property. I've never had to face that combination, thankfully.
 
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