........................... is a bunch of sayings and anecdotes not sequentially interconnected, and therefore context is extremely hard to come by. That's why it can be so easily interpreted in any way that its reader finds to his/her advantage.

And so we are told by contemporary men what parts are important and what parts in unimportant, and are supposed to conclude that's the way is should be.

Both of the above statements apply to the Koran and the Bible...... So let's not go there.

 

 

And why do they need to be "integrated"? When people speak like that, that will be actually be viewed as destruction and assimilation of one culture by another.

The "melting pot" we call the U.S. has added numerous groups. Were there bumps in the road? Certainly. Should Shari'a Law supersede U.S. Law? Should Shari'a be enforced against non-Muslims? Do Catholics enforce their beliefs on the rest of society? Jefferson wrote to that Connecticut religious order to squelch their belief that other religions will try to enforce their beliefs on this young country. In that letter, Jefferson described a "wall of separation" between government actions and religion. People were afraid when J.F. Kennedy was elected, for fear of Catholicism overtaking the government.

The conflict is manufactured by NATO. The recent history goes back to Britain's involvement in the ME at the beginning of the century, creation of Israel, and what we ate faced with now started in the 70s.

Here I thought in 1947, the U.N. defined the creation if Israel. Arabs and Israeli's have been fighting since then. It didn't start in the 1970s. The six day war was in 1967.

 

It's what all the propaganda is about. Who cares about anything? Don't know = Don't care.

And the Western propaganda for the last 15 years is that Islam is a religion of peace. How far has that gotten us?

 

Please check on the status of Afghan women in 1970s as well as in Iran before the meddling of the west in both of those countries. Women were getting educated as doctors, there were steps towards equality... Surely the Integration went well...

The cold war powers are guilty of a lot of sins but the lost of women's right in Afghanistan and Iran is not one of them.
Afghanistan and Iran were leaning secular until religious leaders in both countries started treating women like cattle again once they gained power.

 

And integration is working out?

Yes, it's not perfect but it's a hell of a lot better than before.

 

The cold war powers are guilty of a lot of sins but the lost of women's right in Afghanistan and Iran is not one of them.
Afghanistan and Iran were leaning secular until religious leaders in both countries started treating women like cattle again once they gained power.

That's chattel not cattle.

 

The Germans also thought genocide was self defense and righting wrongs. When does the bloodshed end? It's been approximately 4000 years of bloodshed. I am tired, and there isn't another continent to run to.

The Germans were wrong and we were right, end of story. Today I don't see much difference between Nazi and Daesh. Only a small percentage of the German people were true Nazi followers but that didn't stop us from bombing cities to stop those in control. When does the bloodshed end? Ask the murders.

 

That's chattel not cattle.

[1175–1225;Middle English chatel OldFrench.See cattle]

They treated slaves better than wives at times.

 

And the Western propaganda for the last 15 years is that Islam is a religion of peace. How far has that gotten us?

Not in this society. Peaceful muslims can't even erect a mosque without outrageous protests.

 

Women's right to choose is being brough up in front of the supreme court in the states. This issue is purely religious (in my view). The government in the US is actually not secular in how it operates.

Some broad timelines:

1970s - petrodollar is created. The West chooses Saudis as allies. Also, US funds mujahadeen in Afghanistan to bring down the USSR. They also pay off farmers to switch to growing opium to flood USSR with drugs. Country's farming is destroyed. Please note that Saudis are free to do as they please with no reprecussions
1990s - muslim breeding grounds in Europe are established through the Balkan conflict. Thanks to UN and Bill Clinton.

Sorry, this is very rough, but I go back to TE Lawrence, who was basically saying if you do not understand the people, do not mess with them.

 

When does the bloodshed end? Ask the murders.

It will never end.

Good men will always be required to die so that the rest of us will be able to live with some semblance of peace.

Luckily, there are always those willing to rise to the challenge, even when our 'leaders' are unwilling to.

 

Peaceful muslims...

I'm not convinced there exists such a thing. Non-militant perhaps, but peaceful? Nope.

 

I'm not convinced there exists such a thing.

People can convince theirselves of anything (of the non-existance of anything)

 

The Germans were wrong and we were right, end of story. Today I don't see much difference between Nazi and Daesh. Only a small percentage of the German people were true Nazi followers but that didn't stop us from bombing cities to stop those in control. When does the bloodshed end? Ask the murders.

I didn't mean to imply that we did anything wrong in WWII. I was merely pointing out that your suggestion of genocide was not far off from that of the German's.

 

I didn't mean to imply that we did anything wrong in WWII. I was merely pointing out that your suggestion of genocide was not far off from that of the German's.

This is terrorist genocide.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/14/world/paris-attacks/
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34816327

 

People can convince theirselves of anything (of the non-existance of anything)

Themselves, I believe.

When one indicates his desire for you to be dead, and he has the means to make it so, prudence dictates that you take him at his word...and act accordingly.

 

This is terrorist genocide.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/14/world/paris-attacks/

So fight genocide with genocide. That sounds like a losing battle for everyone. :-/ Hence my original quote.

 

Is this politics......

 

When one indicates his desire for you to be dead, and he has the means to make it so, prudence dictates that you take him at his word...and act accordingly.

one, he != all.