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Ylli

Joined Nov 13, 2015
1,092
Water is H2O. Structurally, it can be modeled as H-O-H. When you break it down, it becomes a mixture of H2 and O2, twice as much H2 as O2. There is no such thing as a molecule modeled as H-H-O. Since Hydrogen has only one binding site, it can not bind to two other atoms directly. If these web sites can be so basically in error by telling you a mixture of H2 and O2 is 'HHO', then what other garbage are they trying to get you to believe?
 

jpanhalt

Joined Jan 18, 2008
11,087
Water is H2O. Structurally, it can be modeled as H-O-H. When you break it down, it becomes a mixture of H2 and O2, twice as much H2 as O2. There is no such thing as a molecule modeled as H-H-O. Since Hydrogen has only one binding site, it can not bind to two other atoms directly. If these web sites can be so basically in error by telling you a mixture of H2 and O2 is 'HHO', then what other garbage are they trying to get you to believe?
HHO is the "buzz" word used in Stanley Meyer's scam for efficiency boosting devices (See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer's_water_fuel_cell or search on Meyer + HHO).
 

dendad

Joined Feb 20, 2016
4,637
It is amazing that this scam keeps coming up.
When will folks realize it takes a lot more energy to produce the Hydrogen than the motor can get back when it is burnt?
My dad wanted me to add a wind generator to my Prius to top up the battery from the wind produced while driving.
 

cmartinez

Joined Jan 17, 2007
8,762
It is amazing that this scam keeps coming up.
When will folks realize it takes a lot more energy to produce the Hydrogen than the motor can get back when it is burnt?
My dad wanted me to add a wind generator to my Prius to top up the battery from the wind produced while driving.
This sort of thing qualifies as an overunity topic in my book...
 

shortbus

Joined Sep 30, 2009
10,050
Water is H2O. Structurally, it can be modeled as H-O-H. When you break it down, it becomes a mixture of H2 and O2, twice as much H2 as O2. There is no such thing as a molecule modeled as H-H-O. Since Hydrogen has only one binding site, it can not bind to two other atoms directly. If these web sites can be so basically in error by telling you a mixture of H2 and O2 is 'HHO', then what other garbage are they trying to get you to believe?
Not where he is getting information from. You would need a very big "generator" to supply enough to make a difference even when idling let alone going down the highway.

If generating hydrogen from water is so good why do industrial gas places make it from a chemical reaction? Or that's the way it was done.
 

Tonyr1084

Joined Sep 24, 2015
9,744
Already been there - already disappointed by the results. Lots of work and no rewards.

At best you can get out as much energy as you put into it. But that's in a perfect world. You have to generate electricity to run the reactor. The fuel you extract is proportional to the amount of energy that goes into the reactor. There are losses before the reactor. THEN the gasses you put into the air stream of the intake - they're explosive if you get the concentration high enough to do ANY good for improving gas mileage. Like I said, at best you break even. At worst you can blow the top of your engine off. OK, that's quite extreme. But it's true.

You CAN run your car on hydrogen. BUT you're running hydrogen and mixing it with oxygen. From the point where it's mixed till it's burned is the critical zone. With a reactor like you're thinking of building - the gas is explosive because it's in the perfect mix for a devastating explosion in large enough quantities and it's that way from the moment it's separated into its molecules.

Bottom line, you're not going to improve your mileage. At best, because someone who posted that video is getting paid advertising dollars - you're supporting a charlatan. A liar. You will not see any improvement in mileage, despite what others say or the supposed proof they offer. There's just too many tricks out there. Save yourself time and aggravation and stop now.
 
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