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• Any kind of over-unity devices and systems

Wouldn't it be rather niggardly of the powers-that-be if they were to use the user agreement to forbid our helping someone to get a refund who has inadvertently bought something that turns out to be an over unity device?
Or were you referring to the Brown's gas fumigation device, generally sold as a fuel consumption reducer? As such, it only purports to increase efficiency of an engine from a starting point of around 30%, which is hardly "over unity".

 

That's a reminder that you were and are skating close to the edge when you brought up Brown's gas. It did not seem to be enough to justify closing the thread, but please don't post about it again in AAC.

 

this one is not impossible when used in conjunction with a hydrocarbon-burning internal combustion engine, which is where it is often seen as a "fuel consumption reducing device".

The sole point I was making is that you can't create energy for free. You can only convert it. In the case of the forbidden topic - which we're not pursuing in an effort to build - the same principals apply. You may use 100 watts to produce • • • gasses but the truth is that the yield in power from combusting those gasses WILL NOT produce 100 watts of energy. And even if it DID - why spend money building a device that can ONLY power itself. There is no useful purpose in such a machine. No EXTRA power.

Back to the point I was making - you need energy to convert energy. That's where the key loss is. Changing water energy (hydro-electric) into wind energy - you never get 100% of what you put into it back out. Whether it's • • • or any other form of energy conversion. In the end, you're paying for the power you use. No device is going to make your power "More Powerful". It can not happen.

Now, I hope enough has been said about all these things because it's starting to get wearisome. No, we're not discussing or building • • •. We were discussing the "Mains Smoothing" device and how it's a charlatan device. It can not work. It WILL NOT work.

If you apply the afore mentioned claim "UP TO 99%", "UP TO" merely means anything from zero "Up To" 99%. It's like those claims that this thing "Can Help" your thing do better. It "CAN" help, and they can make that claim because nobody in this world, not even god, can prove it doesn't help even the slightest. So legalistically, it CAN and UP TO both mean the same thing: Nothing!

 

This whole thread is about disproving the false claims of the seller, with the TS asking if such is even possible.
The short answer is "NO!", at least not legally. Reducing the meter reading is a violation of the laws, IN ADDITION to not being possible through the addition of a passive device.
Consumer fraud is also against the law,, but that does not stop the bad actors.

 

I'm confused on this refund issue...when did the TS state they actually bought this item?

 

The ad says details about returning the product at your own shipping expense but I doubt you will get a refund.

 

I'm confused on this refund issue...when did the TS state they actually bought this item?

The TS never mentioned purchasing it, I guess that the "have a look" referenced the advertisement. At least that is my assumption, as the TS did not say they bought it. Of course the description does not seem reasonable to anybody who understands much science, and that description reads more like an attempt at writing something funny by an eighth grade student.
The fact is that even an effective surge suppression system will have no effect on a residential electric meter unless it were installed prior to the meter, which is not legal nor safe to do.
But the bad actors get around the rules somehow, and so the ads get accepted because the bad guys do pay their bills.

 

To get a refund then maybe you must fly to Germany (Achtung!) to sue the not-listed company's name. Then you must pay your lawyer.
For a refund of only $50?

 

To get a refund then maybe you must fly to Germany (Achtung!) to sue the not-listed company's name. Then you must pay your lawyer.
For a refund of only $50?

If he's in Britain, and paid by credit card, his credit card provider would have to refund the money.

 

As already suggested, the TS never said they bought anything.

 

As already suggested, the TS never said they bought anything.

As I'm no expert I decided to ask you guys a question before I complain about a product to Trading Standards.

"Before I complain". Sounds to me like he bought it already. One doesn't complain about an item they haven't yet bought. No?

 

How can Trading Standards deal with an online money collector that has no Company Name, business address or phone number?
When gullible people sent their money did anybody receive anything?

 

The contact details are in the privacy policy
https://getmotex.com/page/contact
and it seems that they are American.

Just out of curiosity, when those of you based in the USA click the link in Post #1, do you get a British advert (with prices in pounds and comments by people living in British towns)?
The product is always shown from the front, so we don't get to see the type of mains connector.

Interestingly, when I saw the advert a while ago, they were called Voltex and it didn't go down too well on Trustpilot
https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/getvoltex.com
and it appears that it was being sold on Amazon.

 

I got pricing in dollars.

ak

 

Exactly the same ad is in dollars on MSN News in Canada with a better first discount plus a second discount.
The terms and conditions say: "This website is not responsible if the information about the product is not accurate".
They sell many other useless products online.

 

The terms and conditions say: "This website is not responsible if the information about the product is not accurate".

They should probably check with Elizabeth Holmes about that.

Bob

 

The fact is that all the information that you can expect from that company is the package weight, size, and shipping cost. And the sell price. If you need more accurate information than hat, you are probably out of luck.
AND note that the actual product appearance may be different from the picture presented. (That is the biggest understatement of the decade)