What I am doing is only easily applied to a carb engine. My car is a 1988 Jeep CJ

Well, I'll tell you what. I also have a 1984 Chevy S-10 with the carbureted small V-6 engine. Will it work with a V-6 engine?

If so, please send me a contract and price as described above. John

 

This is total bs. Even I call BS. You're a fraud man. The last guy I challenged like that replied with a huge post documenting everything he claimed, pictures, schematics, the works. You ain't got jack. Why don't you do the world a favor and get famous by telling everyone how it's done... then when you have a name like Stan Meiyers because you're the saviour of the earth you'll be rich just by celebritism.

 

Michael,

Nobody here is stupid enough to buy your crap, so go away. Maybe do what Meiyer did and target some greedy and technically-uninclined investors.

Steve

 

Kay
I've got the investors. You got the goods? Here's the deal, you show a working model, the production model, and then the science, to the investors, you'll get your money. $250K sound OK?
Dan

 

Let the auction begin! 1 Million in my case! (Very serious actually... I can get the investors)

 

I be glad to demonstrate. As long any transfer of data and property be public on TV I'm in Dallas. I and it can be vued and demonstrated whenever, however security a must. Proof of cash ETC. must be arranged .It's very easy to say BS. Doesn't Take much Smarts. This device is intended To be my contribution to our planet. And I resent smart mouth folks who haven't been close to my work to say it doesn't work.Or any such thing. This has taken lots of my own money and effort and time. This is not my first effort In R and D. I know the ropes This is what I do. I design things and make them work. I only get paid for results My Degree is in computer science. (When there were only mechanical computers ) I'm that old. But I don't experiment I build things. If they don't work then I fix them. Thats how I eat. Any one is welcome to inspect as long I get paid for positive results.So keep buying dead animals for fuel .Polute the air and make our enemy's wealthy. I do mean who you think I mean. No names. The work in Washington DC.
I have files that the US Airforce Developed this in the 1950's to 1960's and built a device weighing 10LBS portable battery powered and produced enough gas to run a 10 HP Generator in the field . Spendind about 1 Billion $ .I dound the notes all the data ond some of the prints of the cell and electronics. That was 50 years ago. They said they believed water was going to be the next fuel source when oil runs out. They thought soon. their data said 300% you know what. I didn't say it they did. It's published wanna see.
Good night for now think about it!
Mike

 

Would U Like know how its done maybe U can't read I told U every thing ( even component values) but I'll tell U again . The circuit is called a Pi network Look in the ARRL hand book. the caps are 18-1 inch tubes 15/16 ID 304 stainless 3/4 inside tubes
12 inchs long connected in series. measure 120 mf in tap water 65 degrees F the charging bifiler choke is 500 turns of #20 magnet wire on a cardbord core. .167mh inductance i don't remember the diode but it is around 1200 volt on the positive side of the choke all in series. Is that plain enough.
Mike
NO MORE SECRETS

 

You mean 120uF (microfarad), not millifarad, right? Or did you really mean nanofarads?

OK, let's be optimistic, yet scientific.

The inside tubes have an outside diameter of 3/4", and are 12" long.
So, the area of the outside of the inner tube is 2pi*radius*length, or about 44.4 square inches.
Since you have 18 of these inner tubes, you have about 799.4 square inches of surface area.

Capacitance in microfarads (uF) = dielectric constant * 8.8542E-6 * plate_area(square_meters) / plate_seperation(meters)
(this is a reasonably close approximation of a standard formula.)

The dielectric constant of pure water at room temperature is approximately 78.

The seperation between the inner and outer tubes is approximately 0.09375", or 0.00238125 meters if perfectly centered.

The total plate area is 0.515764521 meters.

Thus, the calculated capacitance of your cell should be approximately 0.150uF (150nF), quite a bit less than what you're stating. Actually, 1/800,000th as much. This might be attributed to contaminants in your tap water, or conductive paths that you haven't accounted for.

Would you mind posting capacitor measurements taken when your cell is empty and dry?

 

Michael Kay,

Is English your first language?

Ratch

 

The charging bifiler choke is 500 turns of #20 magnet wire on a cardbord core. .167mh inductance i don't remember the diode but it is around 1200 volt on the positive side of the choke all in series.

Ok, let's talk about the "charging bifilar choke".

You say 500 turns of #20 magnet wire on a cardboard core.

What is the outside diameter of the core that you used, and the length of the windings?

Did you twist the wires together before you wound them on the core? If so, how many twists per foot/yard/meter?

By my calculations, one way to obtain 167uH (0.167mH) would be to wind 500 turns on a 0.33" core (Bic pen size) three layers deep, 8.5" long.

 

Proof of cash ETC. must be arranged .It's very easy to say BS. Doesn't Take much Smarts.

Do you want us to just send you the cash without a contract?

I am OK with a public demonstration, but so far your response has just been more BS. You have yet to name a price. Let's get a contract in place and move forward, or you should stop using up bandwidth.

John

 

I wouldn't embarrass my company by associating with this guy. He will probably make all sorts of excuses trying to get some money up front, then he will be gone.

This guy radiates scam artist, but doesn't really do a good job. I don't think anyone on here is convinced, even the wants that want to believe are calling BS.

 

I'm not screaming "scam artist" or any such thing yet.

Meanwhile, his stated cell capacitance measurement is not even in the ballpark of what it should be measuring, using his stated dimensions of the capacitor tubes. The huge amount of error may be attributable to high mineral content or sodium ions from processing hard water through a water softener.

One way to obtain a more correct reading would be for him to flush his cell thoroughly with pure distilled water, and then allow it to air dry and take the measurement; then re-fill it with pure distilled water and measure it again. With the dimensions he's supplied, he should measure about 150nF when filled with distilled water, and about 1.9nF when empty and dry.

If the insulators he used to maintain spacing between the tubes aren't really good insulators, that could also result in an artifically high capacitance reading.

I'd just like to hear some facts that can be proved out mathematically.

 

Uh ok guys, I think this dude might be for real. Everything he's describing so far is consistent with the setup I would build...but other information is still missing.
The fact that he can measure induct. and cap. means he probably also has an oscope; all of these are vital to this project. He used an air core choke (correct) but said he forgot the diode.... you need a high speed switching diode in there for step charging. As far as the winding, typically what I've seen is 3 spools, 2 full and 1 empty. You take one wire from each full spool and start to wrap them on the empty spool side by side. Then you have a tightly spaced, nicely intermixed bifilar coil... not twisted, but spooled as a pair.

He says the distance between the tubes is about 2mm... if he really is using 1200 volts, he could very well be prodcuing gas with voltage. However he mentions nothing of a voltage intensifier circuit (V1C) otherwise known to the scientific as a stepuptransformercoil.

How are your tubes suspended? How are they separated?

What is your driving circuit? Pulsed DC? At what frequency? Is there a feedback system to lock in resonant frequency?

 

To the Wook - don't hold your breath. Meiyer's stuff is so scrambled that no claim can possibly hold up. It did not work to begin with, and won't in the future.

To Farlander - Meiyer's patent #4931,961 claims a working voltage in the cell of 78 volts. That was all he says was necessary. Why don't you guys at least pay attention to the material? Too bad the circuitry is entirely bogus.

 

Steve,
Are you talking about pounds or dollars?
Dan

 

Mr Kay,
If you are actually in R&D, you know full well no product is demonstrated to an investor until there is a working model. So, what kind of fool are you?
Oh, that's right,you are a fool.
Bye, bye!
Dan

 

Ok I'll try to answer The core is about 1/2 inch coat hanger cardboard tube I used a tube so I could add a core of Iron or whatever if I need more I. The capacatence is Measured with a new but cheep LCR meter ao is the value of the coil . I also use my own water injection actualy steam . I will say no more about that yet. Its late and im tired so I must leave now. Be back Tomorrow.

 

The 78 is the dialectric constant of natural water not volts. ( In a resonant circuit The voltage goes to nearly INFINITY the curant is nearly 0 ) Check it out, I and Meyer didn't make that up (pure theory) look it up . HOW DO YOU MEASURE VOLTAGE INSIDE A DISCHARGING CAP.
Mike

 

What makes you think My water car that I just drove to the store ISN'T A WORKING MODEL WHO'S THE FOOL. It just takes lots of money in escrow to see WITH AGREEMENTS IN PLACE