Exploding electronics

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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You remembered!

The "expert" is me. I am quite capable of acquiring information, analyzing it, and coming to my own conclusions.

I don't need no stinkin' experts.
IMO they just rolled several ongoing projects (popping toes and slicing leadership heads) into the same anti-terror operation. Use it or lose it. A tactical success of a long time frame effort likely to be compromised but not strategic like killing the bosses expected to really make all hell break loose.
 

joeyd999

Joined Jun 6, 2011
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IMO they just rolled several ongoing projects (popping toes and slicing leadership heads) into the same anti-terror operation. Use it or lose it. A tactical success of a long time frame effort likely to be compromised but not strategic like killing the bosses expected to really make all hell break loose.
Possibly. But I suspect this has been long planned for the purpose of an outcome similar to what has transpired.

And, like @cmartinez said, I'm not sure that they're done. It's not checkmate, yet.

(Keep in mind that they no longer assume/believe they have US support. They are on their own, and behaving accordingly.)
 
MOD NOTE: Guys... remember that this thread is supposed to focus on the technical aspects involved. Leave the politics out of it or this thread will be summarily closed.
As a supplier of comms equipment to the commercial market before retirement, I can see how the pager scenario worked, particularly as it now appears to be emerging that the 'Hungarian' company that licenced the brand name from the Tiawanese company was probably a Mossad front. They would probably have had to manufacture the units themselves and the Israelis are more than capable of that.

What really baffles me however is the walkie talkie situation. Whereas pagers are made to operate from a central, wide area signal source and could therefore be triggered by a distinct group message, portable radios are programmed to a specific channel or channels, primarily for voice comms and either work back-to-back or through a repeater base station. Triggering the explosive would therefore be much more problematic, mainly because of range limitations. In urban environments back-to-back range would be as low as a few hundreds or even tens of metres, although the use of a repeater base would greatly increase range.

I guess the fact that the particular radio model was discontinued by Icom in 2014 and even if they were knock-offs as suggested by them, they would not have the level of sophistication we see in todays digital equipment such as digital 'Colour Codes' and/or encryption. As long as the specific channel frequency is known it would therefore be relatively simple to incorporate a trigger using one of the selective signalling systems common to such equipment and the explosive cou;d be quite a bit larger due to the relative size of the radio and again, this would have to have been done at source.

As others have said, the rubicon has been crossed and this highlights even more the importance of knowing and trusting your supplier.
 

BobTPH

Joined Jun 5, 2013
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You remembered!

The "expert" is me. I am quite capable of acquiring information, analyzing it, and coming to my own conclusions.

I don't need no stinkin' experts.
I agree, you are exactly the type of expert that @nsaspook’s meme was referring to.
 

panic mode

Joined Oct 10, 2011
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some people are not compatible with independent thought.
they would rather be told what to believe. or they want to control what others think.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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some people are not compatible with independent thought.
they would rather be told what to believe. or they want to control what others think.
and some people just don't care because their and other thoughts on X subject don't matter a bit. It's all about wasting time, having a little fun while drinking a nice adult beverage.
 

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cmartinez

Joined Jan 17, 2007
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panic mode

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MOD NOTE: It IS a sensitive topic, but it is also a legitimate technical discussion. So let's keep it as a technical discussion ...
i think this should remain a serious discussion, not a fantasy as presented in media for entertainment purposes.

several concerned people asked for my opinion on exploding mobile devices. they have real concerns about this as they have seen plenty of reports and viral videos where Li batteries are catching on fire. more over the fire could not be extinguished. what should be said here is what the real risks are.

devices bursting in flames is a real possibility as seen with many different products - phones, laptops, electric vehicles etc.

while thermal runaway is a real danger, specially in confined space, it is relatively slow - much slower than explosion.
so is there a real danger for consumer products to explode? so far there is no evidence that this is the case. malfunctioning batteries can catch fire. and while that can cause burns, it is not the same thing as exploding. so exploding devices must have been designed and manufactured (or hacked) intentionally for that purpose, and then distributed to intended targets.
 
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