I can say with absolute certainty that @Jazz2C likes you! How do I know? Because he said so while comparing you to his father.
I can say with absolute certainty that @Jazz2C likes you! How do I know? Because he said so while comparing you to his father.
It may have been to others, but not from my point of view. The discussion was about LOPT's and then was involved into pot cores. With no mention of a change of topic. How is someone like me that is interested but not involved to understand that the pot core isn't going to be used as the core in the LOPT coils that were previously removed? You(the main group) knew this wasn't the case but how was anyone else to know?Shortbus wasn't it clear inductor is for LOPT test exciter and proper driver circuits? Cuz if not, OUR BAD
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Shortbus that's a vry good pointThe discussion was about LOPT's and then was involved into pot cores. With no mention of a change of topic. How is someone like me that is interested but not involved to understand that the pot core isn't going to be used as the core in the LOPT coils that were previously removed? You(the main group) knew this wasn't the case but how was anyone else to know?
Many thanks for your interest and input!I've only been following this thread intermittently; most of it's way over my head, so I may have missed this but have you considered FEP or PFA. These plastics have similar properties to PTFE with some advantages.
Good deal! 'Tho I venture to ask where? -- Suitable mica forms are difficult to source, phenolic is prohibitively friable, cellulose fiber products are hygroscopic and chemically/'biologically' unstable by their nature (and, hence, require treatment with potentially 'dimensionally-destabilizing' sealants/preservatives, celluloid is both hygroscopic and chemically unstable, fiberglass panel products are little more than reenforced polyepoxide, amorphous and crystalline glasses (while otherwise excellent) are too brittle for commercial availability in 'gauges' much less than, perhaps, 1mm... -- But hey! I hear you! A substance exhibiting plastic, elastic and thermal characteristics on a par with those of the ferrite itself would solve many, many problems!Try to find a non-thermoplastic solution! You know the drill! Mica, phenolic, pressed (non-hygroscopic) cellulose paper, celluloid..)
Agreed!BTW, if you ppl would just register with AAC you could PM us which we'd definitely see sooner cuz speaking for myself (and I'm pretty sure HP and TV also) I look on my public email accts like once a week max! Also since I've basically abandoned some addys, depending on where ur sending it, I might not even see your question! Now if you PM us with AAC's _start conversation_ feature we'll see _alert_ whenever we're logged in to AAC!
TIHIDI = This Is How I Did It --- Some projects (e.g. The Balanced EHT Indicator and the Unregulated Variable Low EMF Power Supply) while essential to this material are sufficiently 'basic' in scheme and requisite of acceptable components/construction technique so ubiquitous/varied that mere construction examples need be offered - thus affording the reader convenience and economy via use of 'parts on hand' (or otherwise readily available components) -- please rest assured, however, that --as always-- 'on-demand' elaboration/support goes without saying!TIHIDI?How many guesses do I get?
So since ppl reading for first time could easily have impression from title that this thread is extent of THE instructional materialand so totally understandably make mad dash for horizon w/o backward glance, I have suggestion:
From now on plz link current version of Tutorial on top of all your posts to this thread (like I did on this one)![]()
Excellent suggestions!So for now I'm requiring all subsequent posts by members of core development staff and alpha test team which have ANYTHING to do with engineering or technical aspects of projects to contain header descriptive of post's context!
I still haven't got an answer to my question about the whole spacer problem, that I asked a while ago. That question was, why is the spacer which is buried in the core more susceptible to degradation form what ever is the worry, than either the nylon screw and nut holding it together or the magnet wire insulation made of either nylon or a version of polyester? Both of those things, the screw or insulation would be even more exposed than the spacer.FWIW A unique property (among thermoplastics) of PTFE is to be appreciated in its well neigh constant 'mechanical' properties (i.e. plasticity, elasticity, hardness, strength, etc...) over wide ranging temperatures (from -30°C to within 20°C of its MP [which being ≈ 330°C]).
HP Since u know Theo is totally handling materials testing IDK why ur tagging me abt thatTo my knowledge our CDT's review of fluoropolymers included only PTFE, PVDF and ETFE (@Aleph(0) and/or @theodoravain please advise)
HP I'm vry happy u get thatSome projects (e.g. The Balanced EHT Indicator and the Unregulated Variable Low EMF Power Supply) while essential to this material are sufficiently 'basic' in scheme and requisite of acceptable components/construction technique so ubiquitous/varied that mere construction examples need be offered
HP tnx for saying that so now I don't have to
HP like I'm saying that's basically Theo's bid! So since ur asking my opinion I say PTFE isn't perfect but it's as good as it gets for material easily sourced in small qtys!I'm awaiting @Aleph(0)'s and @theodoravain's determination of a suitable gap spacer material
HP I just mean what u call a _how supplied_ pic! So I know it sounds like unnecessary work but I don't have to tell you what that Charterhouse bunch is likePS @Aleph(0) --- I saw your email in regards to the 'urgency' of photos of the cores-- Please elaborate?
HP sometimes I get sinking feeling it's like theme of retro tunewhence the 'LOPT rebuild tutorial' may finally be completed lo these three years!
Shortbus right now it's not so much concern abt problem of chemolysis and radiolysis as it is elastic and thermal property of bolt and spacer. So like @The Electrician and @theodoravain say is prolly better to secure core halves with hard high-temp glue. But for now we need core to be like _re-entrant_ to save readers time and money during development stage (so into _gama phase_). Now if ur asking why Nylon-6 works as fastener but fails as spacer all I can say is I don't totally understand that eitherwhy is the spacer which is buried in the core more susceptible to degradation form what ever is the worry, than either the nylon screw and nut holding it together or the magnet wire insulation made of either nylon or a version of polyester? Both of those things, the screw or insulation would be even more exposed than the spacer.
so yes, there are materials out there that can easily outperform and outlast what's stated in their datasheets ... and the other way around. I.E., I had a hard time selecting an adequate material for a piece of string that I needed to submerge in FeCl3, and its datasheet said that nylon was an excellent material for that application ... and nope, it didn't perform as promised ...
My point is, datasheets are very good references and starting points to start experimenting with, but the only way to know for sure if something really works is to test, test, test...
Kind, friends please rest assured we get it!@ Aleph(0), I just know from practical use. Theoretical/data sheet things don't always hold true in real world use. I've seen plastic shim stock used in many parts of plastic molds and then reused again and again, without a change in size shape or thickness. Extrusion presses too.
Excelent suggestion! Such would seem to offer the best of both worlds! @theodoravain please check this out! ('magic bullet' waiting in the wings or not)!Glass filled PTFE then? There are many suppliers of the material in sheet, gasket and washer forms.
Can do!HP I just mean what u call a _how supplied_ pic!
Indeed not!I don't have to tell you what that Charterhouse bunch is like!
Well hey! No need to blame me! As you might recall 'twas I and I alone who knew a Beyle from a StendhalSo anyhow since you wanted them in it, it's TOTALLY your call!
That's the spirit!It is for precisely that reason that Theo's team are testing and re-testing 'everything in sight'!
Excellent suggestion! Such would seem to offer the best of both worlds!
Yeah, well.. No big secret really. It's that other "non true thermoplastic" polymer. Namely silicone (in the form of "thermal transfer matting", you know, the alternative to heat-sink paste). What's to like? Well first of all, like PTFE, plastic deformation is limited to a few percent of its virgin thickness, after that deformation is purely elastic (more so than PTFE). But here's the big deal! Our tests show it to be "elastically static" across and beyond the required temperature cycle range. As a for instance, clamped to 300kPa at 18°C, compression remains at 300kPa at -50°C, at +200°C and all points in between with no measurable variation in thickness. So yeah! That much can almost be said of PTFE but silicone maintains its properties better over a wider temperature range and, to the point, because of its huge elasticity there's no need of a wide variety of thicknesses. The required gap is achieved by clamping (elastically deforming) the spacer to the desired thickness using a permanent non-thermoplastic fastener or securing the shells with an appropriate adhesive prior to removal of a temporary bolt. Stock is commonly available in 500μm and 200μm (virgin) thicknesses. That covers the range of realistic gap lengths. For example our 250μm gap is established with a spacer cut from 500μm stock clamped to about 170kPa. @HP Do me a favor and up a pic of a blank "Thermo-Pad". I gather that you know where I stand on uploads from my phone? Too much metadata, too much BS!FWIW (Re: gap-spacer material) @theodoravain claims to have found the solution with expression of intent to 'unveil' same (on this thread) at the weekend (why she cannot merely present her 'discovery' sans a 'press-conference style' 'side show' is beyond me). No need to ask! I too am 'in the dark' at this point
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Glass filled PTFE then? There are many suppliers of the material in sheet, gasket and washer forms.
Excelent suggestion! Such would seem to offer the best of both worlds! @theodoravain please check this out! ('magic bullet' waiting in the wings or not)!
On my word! We'll be checking it out, attribution aside!
Do you have a specific product suggestion for our test program (search committee?I just know from practical use. Theoretical/data sheet things don't always hold true in real world use. I've seen plastic shim stock used in many parts of plastic molds and then reused again and again, without a change in size shape or thickness. Extrusion presses too.
I don't have to tell you what that Charterhouse bunch is like!
Well hey! No need to blame me! As you might recall 'twas I and I alone who knew a Beyle from a Stendhal![]()
PS @Aleph(0) --- I saw your email in regards to the 'urgency' of photos of the cores-- Please elaborate?
Pictured below are a few trays of shells as supplied --- Note the 'heap' of Ca. 50 (similarly supplied) bobbins (immediately to the right of the US $20 bank note) -- Sorry! I'm not about to open a 'new' carton of bobbins for this, IMNSHO, pointless image!HP I just mean what u call a _how supplied_ pic! So I know it sounds like unnecessary work but I don't have to tell you what that Charterhouse bunch is like!
Will do immediately I locate a 'specimen'! -- Those sheds were positively sweltering today and the outlook for tomorrow is worse still@HP Do me a favor and up a pic of a blank "Thermo-Pad".
@Aleph(0) -- Not to kibitz howbeit it seems Theo has a point! You chose Zenmate, found its gratis servers less than satisfactory but then encouraged @Jazz2C and Theo's use of same?(@Aleph(0), really! I'm certain we can do better than this? Perhaps a set of soup cans and some string?)
Maybe she believes in the third option: "purification through self-inflicted suffering" ...is it a case 'projected masochism' or merely 'misery loves company'?
HP Sry but like I said YOU wanted Charterhouse ppl in itIMNSHO, pointless image!
HP for total clarity I say u should put pix of inductor assembly from post 1320 in blog (so guests can see them too) and link them down here near _how supplied_ pic! Cuz that way ppl can have like _big picture_Pictured below are a few trays of shells as supplied --- Note the 'heap' of Ca. 50 (similarly supplied) bobbins (immediately to the right of the US $20 bank note)
@HP Do me a favor and up a pic of a blank "Thermo-Pad".
HP They're with all your GC/NTE stock! I know cuz I saw them there last summerWill do immediately I locate a 'specimen'!
HP plz get a life! You won't meltThose sheds were positively sweltering today and the outlook for tomorrow is worse still![]()
HP for the 1,000,000'th time! Registering paid acct (with any VPN not just Zenmate) means giving out name and banking info which totally defeats privacy! Also like you know pay-pal or debit card can limit damage from identity theft but doesn't actually help protect privacy from determined snoops at all!
Cmartinez it's true I sometimes wear _hairshirt_ too proudlyMaybe she believes in the third option: "purification through self-inflicted suffering" ...![]()
HP no was is Tony @alephan
Theo I like it but I also say it just seems too good 2b trueYeah, well.. No big secret really. It's that other "non true thermoplastic" polymer. Namely silicone (in the form of "thermal transfer matting", you know, the alternative to heat-sink paste). What's to like? Well first of all, like PTFE, plastic deformation is limited to a few percent of its virgin thickness, after that deformation is purely elastic (more so than PTFE). But here's the big deal! Our tests show it to be "elastically static" across and beyond the required temperature cycle range. As a for instance, clamped to 300kPa at 18°C, compression remains at 300kPa at -50°C, at +200°C and all points in between with no measurable variation in thickness. So yeah! That much can almost be said of PTFE but silicone maintains its properties better over a wider temperature range and, to the point, because of its huge elasticity there's no need of a wide variety of thicknesses. The required gap is achieved by clamping (elastically deforming) the spacer to the desired thickness using a permanent non-thermoplastic fastener or securing the shells with an appropriate adhesive prior to removal of a temporary bolt. Stock is commonly available in 500μm and 200μm (virgin) thicknesses. That covers the range of realistic gap lengths. For example our 250μm gap is established with a spacer cut from 500μm stock clamped to about 170kPa.
Because you and Theo (especially you) persist in belabouring the issue!So anyhow glitchy VPN is our problem no reason for you to keep complaining abt it![]()
@HP Do me a favor and up a pic of a blank "Thermo-Pad".
Here 'tis -- Pictured is a 12"*12" square of 250μm stock (New Tone TP0012A) -- Please note that I have turned back the upper left-hand corner as an aid to perspective:HP They're with all your GC/NTE stock! I know cuz I saw them there last summer!
OVP(left) Zener transient suppressor:
Function: Preclusion of filter capacitor abuse corollary to EMF up-swings during near maximum output EMF operation.
HP I have better idea! Why not just use filter caps with working voltage rating above maximum open circuit output?
Having reflected upon Aleph's well considered suggestion --and my pathetic expedient/rationale (emphasized above) I know I can do betterIt has long been my observation that 'non-solid electrolytics' featuring nominal capacitances much greater than 20 millifarads must needs frequently approach their maximum working EMF is dielectric integrity to be maintained...