DC-DC input resistance for LTSpice simulation

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andrew74

Joined Jul 25, 2022
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Hi!
I’m simulating a three-phase rectifier with diodes and an R-78HE5.0-0.3 DC-DC converter in LTSpice.
The three sine waves come from a three-phase motor which I assume runs at 15 Hz, so with 8 pole pairs that’s approximately 111 rpm (this is just an example)

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Can I simulate the DC-DC converter by replacing it with an equivalent resistor?

If I know its output voltage (5V) and current (300mA), assuming an efficiency of 85% and a rectified input voltage of 48V, can I calculate a resistor to ‘replace’ it in the simulation?

Po = Vo * Io = 5 * 0.3 = 1.5W
Pi = Po / n = 1.5 / 0.85 = 1.765W
Ri = Vi^2 / Pi = 48 / 1.765 = 1305 ohm

I am aware that real DC-DC converters behave like a negative differential resistor (if the input voltage rises, the input current falls to keep the power constant), while a fixed resistor behaves in the opposite way... but I am assuming fixed values to maintain a constant equivalent resistance under such conditions

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If my calculation is correct, I end up with an output that hasn’t been rectified properly:
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Apart from increasing the capacitance, what can I do to reduce ripple?
(I’ve included L1 (which has no effect in this circuit) because I’d like to test and understand which CLC filter to use at the input to the DC-DC converter, given that it’s recommended in the event of EMI)

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I’m afraid I might be doing something wrong when setting up the three input generators
 

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crutschow

Joined Mar 14, 2008
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A fixed load resistor should be okay for your simulation purposes.

You reduce ripple (if needed) by increasing the filter capacitance and/or adding a larger inductor (but with the inductor at the input to the capacitors).
There's no other magic to reduce ripple.
 

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andrew74

Joined Jul 25, 2022
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A fixed load resistor should be okay for your simulation purposes.

You reduce ripple (if needed) by increasing the filter capacitance and/or adding a larger inductor (but with the inductor at the input to the capacitors).
There's no other magic to reduce ripple.
Thank you for your reply.

Have I modelled the three phases of the motor correctly? Because I set it to 48V, but in fact the voltage between phase and neutral fluctuates between -48V and +48V, producing a DC output of around 90V .. which would destroy my DC-DC converter
I’m getting a bit confused by engine theory…

If I remember correctly, in a three-phase system, the peak voltage between two phases is sqrt(3) times the phase voltage … therefore, the three-phase diode bridge brings the DC output to the peak value of the concatenated voltage minus the voltage drop across the two conducting diodes
 
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crutschow

Joined Mar 14, 2008
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the voltage between phase and neutral fluctuates between -48V and +48V, producing a DC output of around 90V ..
Why are you adding a 48Vdc offset to the sources?
That's why you are getting about 80V in the sim.
The offset should be 0.
Power AC sources have zero offset.
 
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