I would argue with that last statement. Nobody is overweight by choice. To say that this is voluntary is too wrong the people who are obese. Genetics also plays a role.

 

I have type 2 diabetes, and I resent the idea that it was some kind of a choice.

I'm not going to argue the point because it's way too close to home for me, but I will say that calling diabetes a choice is a very skewed way of looking at it.

 

If I recall correctly, that comment was to show the silliness displayed by stating that Covid-19 is a choice.
Been type 2 for many years, it runs in the family. Just ask my brother, my son, or my cousin.

@justtrying I am sorry to hear of your loss.

 

i asked questions like what is wrong if one does not want to be forced to take experimental jab.

Way earlier in this thread I asked, "how many injections will it take before this is no longer experimental?" or something similar to that. It is no longer considered "experimental", it has full compliance with the FDA. Every thing medical was at one time "experimental" but after it is proven safe it no longer is experimental. Get over it.

4. vaccine is safe and effective. do not question why vaccinated people are dying or have complications.

Where are you getting that from? Give a reliable source,of that information.

8. young people specially kids and athletes have had heart problems but that. don't worry about that....

And they are more likely to have it after they have covid than getting it from a vaccine jab.
https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/news/16388?autologincheck=redirected

 

Way earlier in this thread... It is no longer considered "experimental", it has full compliance with the FDA.

except the FDA approved version is kept out of reach of public. btw that was also way earlier in the thread.

Where are you getting that from?

unlike devoted CNN/MSNBC worshipers and Fauci cult members, i use multiple sources and question everything i read. i suggest to not take my word for it, go out there and do some research yourself or go back and read the links posted before. if they are still there... you know 1A is all fine and dandy until censored... will probably never know real numbers.

VAERS is meant to track all reports:
https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/covid-19-vaccine-related-fatalities-updated

 

except the FDA approved version is kept out of reach of public. btw that was also way earlier in the thread.

Please stop repeating that disproved BS. It was easily and absolutely shown to be a damn lie earlier in this thread. I respect your right to have your own opinions but not your own facts.

 

was it?

 

was it?

Yes it was. You have zero proof it wasn't other than internet lies. Put your cards on the table right now if you say it wasn't.

 

don't you think you should do that since your claim there is a proof?
i am not infallible but don't want to go back and read 7000+ posts to see if i missed something.

in fact don't just link to it.... you know, it is internet lies. how can one be sure it is genuine?

 

don't you think you should do that since your claim there is a proof?

OK, so you got nothing as I suspected. Let's play this boring game one more time for the newbies.

https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/y...ntech-covid-19-vaccines-the-same-or-different

I've heard that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) said Pfizer's Comirnaty and BioNTech formulas are distinctly different in their vaccine approval letter. Is that true?

Answer from infectious diseases pharmacist Bryan Alexander, PharmD:
No. In terms of what is contained inside the vial of each they are identical. Pfizer and BioNTech simply formally "branded" or named their vaccine Comirnaty.

https://investors.biontech.de/news-...ch-receive-authorization-european-union-covid

NEW YORK and MAINZ, GERMANY, December 21, 2020 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) — Pfizer Inc. (NYSE: PFE) and BioNTech SE (Nasdaq: BNTX) announced today that the European Commission (EC) has granted a conditional marketing authorization (CMA) to Pfizer and BioNTech for COMIRNATY® (also known as BNT162b2), for active immunization to prevent COVID-19 caused by SARS-CoV-2 virus, in individuals 16 years of age and older.

AUTHORIZED USE IN THE U.S.:
The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine is authorized for use under an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) for active immunization to prevent coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) in individuals 16 years of age and older.

The only difference is the label with a Brand name (used in the UK since December 21, 2020 ) in the US.

 

in fact don't just link to it.... you know, it is internet lies. how can one be sure it is genuine?

If it's NOT posted by people with a history of posting known and disproved internet lies is a good start.

I need to say your line of argument today is pretty lean. I do think there are limits to what needs to be done to combat the spread of the virus but total misinformation on this doesn't help the more reasonable case of loss of freedom.

 

A case that comes in mind is that a typhoid Mary. It is not OK to spread disease and can be in the public interest to quarantine such people. There comes point a point in any argument that someone thinks don't confuse me with facts. I believe is that this thread is that point. Not every thing is fake news just because it runs counter to your opinions. Real facts do not care if you believe them or not.

This is no longer an experimental vaccine, enough statistical data has been gathered to show its effectiveness.

 

combat the spread of the virus

Thank Dog the virus doesn't spread as fast as the lie against the vaccines!

These virus/vaccine lies are kind of like the Seinfeld show, something about nothing.

 

Thank Dog the virus doesn't spread as fast as the lie against the vaccines!

These virus/vaccine lies are kind of like the Seinfeld show, something about nothing.

I think the originators of the lies are laughing their butts off at rubes buying it hook, line and sinker while counting the money they made off selling the misinformation. It ranges from from dumb to dangerous.

 

Covid-resistant people point way to universal coronavirus vaccine

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Many groups worldwide are trying to develop vaccines that protect against a wide range of coronaviruses and prevent another pandemic. These efforts have now been boosted by the discovery that some healthcare workers had pre-existing immunity to the SARS-CoV-2 virus during the first wave of the pandemic.

 

Let's play this boring game one more time for the newbies.

can you please try communicating without use of derogatory terms and insults? "newbie", "fool", "rube" etc. are not exactly flattering or appreciated. keep those to yourself and try to keep the exchange polite. there is no need for such language.

what is contained inside the vial of each they are identical...

you are (still) missing the point. show me one hospital that stocks and uses vaccines actually LABELED as what is in FDA approval. don't want to hear about those that are "practically the same as but labeled differently". then i will accept it without hesitation. fair enough for you?

 

A case that comes in mind is that a typhoid Mary. It is not OK to spread disease and can be in the public interest to quarantine such people.

that is exactly what i suggested.

but some here argue that people like typhoid Mary (sick or with compromised health, aka people at risk) should be given free pass and allowed to walk the streets, while the healthy people (children included) are to be subjected to quarantine, forcibly subjected to unwanted medical treatment or get fired. they also try to conflate that without getting multiple shots of vaccine, everyone is typhoid Mary. more over they ignore that vaccinated are spreaders too, when in fact they are no different than typhoid Mary - being vaccinated does not prevent one from spreading the disease. and that's the fact

 

can you please try communicating without use of derogatory terms and insults? "newbie", "fool", "rube" etc. are not exactly flattering or appreciated. keep those to yourself and try to keep the exchange polite. there is no need for such language.

It's a stupid marketing LABEL. The marketing LABEL is not injected into your arm.

Can you please try communicating without use of misinformation and total lies.
I can't be polite when actual lives are in the balance due to misinformation and lies.

I've been using the word misinformation with you because I'm actually being nice in thinking you're a user, not a creator of disinformation.

 

There are forces outside the US that deliberately tried to sow dissent and misinformation. Please keep that in mind.

While mostly homegrown, anti vaxxers strike me as a fringe group. I am not referring to the corvid anti vaxxers, personally I put anti vaxxers with the flat earthers and the Christian scientists (people who equate faith with science).

 

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/addressing-vaccine-misinformation.html

Defining Misinformation and Disinformation

• Misinformation is false information shared by people who do not intend to mislead others.
• Disinformation is false information deliberately created and disseminated with malicious intent.

https://www.cisa.gov/sites/default/files/publications/SLTTCOVIDToolkit_FINAL_508.pdf

What are the different kinds of false information? •
Misinformation is false, but not created or shared with the intention of causing harm. •
Malinformation is based on fact, but used out of context to mislead, harm, or manipulate. •
Disinformation is deliberately created to mislead, harm, or manipulate a person, socialgroup, organization, or country.

All three are harmful, but disinformation is a particular source of concern.