True, but also, most likely those with vaccinations are less likely to become sources for the virus to jump to new hosts. This because the amount of virus in their bodies remains low while the infection is being fought.

You'll never get the 30% to agree with that. Isn't it kind of funny, not ha-ha funny, that most of the people resisting vaccination are also those that deny climate change?

 

You'll never get the 30% to agree with that. Isn't it kind of funny, not ha-ha funny, that most of the people resisting vaccination are also those that deny climate change?

Nope... it's definitely not ha-ha funny... it's more like creepy funny ... but it's quite clear, at least to me, that said group base their decisions on the exact opposite of what the "other" group is doing and not on careful reasoning and evaluation of facts.

Their logic seems to be something like "Group 'D' is defending vaccines and acting against climate change. And since I belong to group 'R', I'm going to choose the exact opposite"

 

Their logic seems to be something like "Group 'D' is defending vaccines and acting against climate change. And since I belong to group 'R', I'm going to choose the exact opposite"

You can say that and I agree but can't say it.

 

You can say that and I agree but can't say it.

Say what? ... maybe I should've chosen numbers instead of letters to designate both groups?

 

My wife tells me I can go get the 3rd shot, I thought I couldn’t since I’m not 65 yet?

kv

 

A year into vaccinations and people are getting a third injection (and some a 4th). Are the mRNA vaccines a failure or are the manufacturers not happy enough with revenue? It is one or the other.

 

A year into vaccinations and people are getting a third injection (and some a 4th). Are the mRNA vaccines a failure or are the manufacturers not happy enough with revenue? It is one or the other.

It's neither. Do you honestly think even natural antibodies from having covid will keep you forever immune? If this was true the common cold would have died a natural death centuries ago.

Dick, your a good moderator but you seem to be on the side of the antivaxers. You posted a link earlier to what you considered "studies" on ivermectin against covid. None of them were studies or trials but were just anecdotal reports, reports from places that had no peer review or even a large number of participants. I for one am very disappointed in you about this.

 

"People who have chosen not to be vaccinated remain at much greater risk of illness and death".
"Unvaccinated people have a risk of death 46 times greater than someone their age who is fully vaccinated."

that is poor wording. last i checked - everyone dies... 0% chance to not die... 47x 0% is still 0%.
btw many deaths are due to car accidents, floods, fires, falling of the cliff etc.
and no vaccine will improve that.... not 47x

 

Do you honestly think even natural antibodies from having covid will keep you forever immune?

according to evolution, life on this planet started long long time ago. it took millions of years to get from single cell organism to modern human being and viruses existed all along too. somehow i think we are alive today because of the incredible working of natural immunity.

or maybe someone can point out where the vaccine was all those millions of years? did Pfizer fail to vax dinosaurs or was the vaccine cause for their downfall? because some claim that experimental concoction is 100% safe but that would suggest that not one person got harmed or died as a direct result of taking Covid19 vaccine - something that is clearly false.

 

We're seeing another cycle that hopefully will be muted by vaccination.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/t...ifornia-a-potentially-ominous-sign/ar-AAQuNrG

Many of the COVID-19 patients needing hospitalization are unvaccinated people in their 30s, 40s and 50s, said Fresno County interim health officer Dr. Rais Vohra. Fresno County on Wednesday was forced to reimplement a measure to no longer automatically transport all 9-1-1 patients to emergency rooms, a policy it had ended on Oct. 22 because officials thought the region’s surge of the Delta variant was fading.
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While health officials have largely been optimistic that the state's relatively high level of vaccine coverage will keep conditions from deteriorating to the devastating extent seen last fall and winter, the turning of the calendar carries a host of additional risks.

Colder weather, even in normally balmy parts of California, will increasingly push people to gather indoors — where the risk of coronavirus transmission is higher. There's also an apparent seasonality to the coronavirus itself, which makes it easier to spread when temperatures fall.

Vaccinate and ventilate.



In the south indoor air conditioning use is reducing, increasing fresh air exchanges as temps fall while in the north, heating is increasing, reducing fresh air exchanges causing virus levels indoors to rise with increasing cases mainly in the unvaccinated.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/otta...-as-important-as-vaccinations-masks-1.6198348

While vaccines and masking continue to be important to stopping the spread of COVID-19, experts say proper ventilation and filtration are also key and companies need to take them into account as they continue to develop back-to-work plans.

 

according to evolution, life on this planet stated long long time ago. it took millions of years to get from single cell organism to modern human being. and viruses existed all along too. somehow i think we are alive today because of the incredible working of natural immunity.

or maybe someone can point out where the vaccine was all those millions of years? did Pfizer fail to vax dinosaurs or was the vaccine cause for their downfall? because some claim that experimental concoction is 100% safe but that would suggest that not one person got harmed or died as a direct result of taking Covid19 vaccine - something that is clearly false.

It's all about risks and chances. With the vaccine it's a fair dice game, without the vaccine the dice are loaded with hand-grenades.

Choose Wisely.

 

btw i do not identify as antivaxer. i have taken vaccines, including covid one. my point is that there should be no mandates and one should be free to ask questions, and refuse any medical treatment they are not agreeing with. forcing people to unwanted medical procedures is an attack on human rights. everyone should care first and foremost for their own safety, then for safety of others. but i have little sympathy for those who take a shot and want everyone else out of way. if you are concerned about Covid, protect yourself. yes, you do that. wear a bubble with positive pressure and respirator or stay in basement and for gods sake, wash your hands, stop touching your face. then we may talk what others may do for you...

if the Covid was... i don't know... leprosy for example, you would not need to convince anyone to take a vaccine, they would be breaking fences and walls to get it...

mandating mask and vax is outrageous overstepping of ones freedoms. lets get back to work, open everything. nobody is stopping you from wearing a mask, getting 2 shots a day and 5 tests a day.

 

It's all about risks and chances. With the vaccine it's a fair dice game, without the vaccine the dice are loaded with hand-grenades.

Choose Wisely.

Also, sometimes people forget that unlike car crashes, drug overdoses and diabetes (for instance), CV19 is a contagious disease that can easily grow exponentially if no direct and decisive actions are taken.

Vaccines are our best weapons against it. And are also far better than the only other alternatives that can I think of... that is, strict social distancing and lockdowns.

 

Choose Wisely.

yes.. screw government.
they got waaaay too much power.

 

and to all of those crying "govern me harder daddy..." think about this:

 

Vaccines are our best weapons against it.

no... that is just a shot...(pun intended) and only good for CV19. we see pandemics every 2-3 years, and there are tons of other problems. mandates are not collaboration...

the best weapon against CV19 or any other challenge (SARS, MARS, AIDS, Polio, inflation...) is not in a single syringe...

it is in free mind, collaboration and open communication.

when humans put their minds together they can create more than one solution and deal with any problem. government is slow and inefficient. CV19 mandates are not needed or welcome - they are divisive. they are firing true heroes that have been battling this disease for years - even before vaccine was available. do not censor and block those who want to speak. do not push one "final solution" on everyone you disagree with.

NK has CV19 mandate too. anyone without mask is shot. i guess it works for them but i am not in favor of such mandate.
vaccine is great and i am glad we have it. but it should not be forced on people. i and many others have questions about it and it does not sit well with me that things are swept under the rug and those that question it are shot down. it is not good when the community you try to converse with is bashing you down and chanting same "to hell with your rights"...

 

no... that is just a shot...(pun intended) and only good for CV19. we see pandemics every 2-3 years, and there are tons of other problems. mandates are not collaboration...

the best weapon against CV19 or any other challenge (SARS, MARS, AIDS, Polio, inflation...) is not in a single syringe...

it is in free mind, collaboration and open communication.

when humans put their minds together they can create more than one solution and deal with any problem. government is slow and inefficient. CV19 mandates are not needed or welcome - they are divisive. they are firing true heroes that have been battling this disease for years - even before vaccine was available. do not censor and block those who want to speak. do not push one "final solution" on everyone.

NK has CV19 mandate too. anyone without mask is shot. i guess it works for them but i am not in favor of such mandate.
vaccine is great and i am glad we have it. but it should not be forced on people.

I have never defended mandates. As a matter of fact, I think they're counterproductive in the sense that they tend to alienate a portion of the population. And you're right about collaboration being the solution. But the the main obstacle against collaboration is mistrust. Just look at the Russian case. They were among the first to deploy a vaccine, and right now they're having a record number of deaths. All because they don't trust their government ... and I can't say I blame them for that.

What I do support though, is an intense vaccination campaign. And I also support the right of private corporations to demand their workers get vaccinated if they see it fit. My company, my rules. If they don't like it they can go work somewhere else. I find it silly that some hospital workers complain against vaccination being a requirement to keep their jobs ... they work in the medical industry, and they're saying they don't trust the medical industry...

 

i agree with everything else until this part:

I find it silly that some hospital workers complain against vaccination being a requirement to keep their jobs ... they work in the medical industry, and they're saying they don't trust the medical industry...

i am pretty sure that they know more about it than average person does. and they see a lot more cases than any of us do. i respect their choice. and if patients do not trust them or their choices, they are welcome to opt out from being treated by someone they don't trust or go home and take chances with the issue on their own.

btw. medical personal was always at risk of catching something from the patients. perhaps patients should have a bit of faith in those that threat them. specially since they have dealt with CV19 for much longer than vax was available.

as nsaspook like to state - choose wisely

 

btw i do not identify as antivaxer. i have taken vaccines, including covid one. my point is that there should be no mandates and one should be free to ask questions, and refuse any medical treatment they are not agreeing with. forcing people to unwanted medical procedures is an attack on human rights. everyone should care first and foremost for their own safety, then for safety of others. but i have little sympathy for those who take a shot and want everyone else out of way. if you are concerned about Covid, protect yourself. yes, you do that. wear a bubble with positive pressure and respirator or stay in basement and for gods sake, wash your hands, stop touching your face. then we may talk what others may do for you...

if the Covid was... i don't know... leprosy for example, you would not need to convince anyone to take a vaccine, they would be breaking fences and walls to get it...

mandating mask and vax is outrageous overstepping of ones freedoms. lets get back to work, open everything. nobody is stopping you from wearing a mask, getting 2 shots a day and 5 tests a day.

Your freedom is not absolute when it has the potential to unnecessarily kill innocent others. Yes, it's an outrageous overstepping of ones freedoms but totally justified in some conditions. It's called self-defense. Those conditions today are mainly in place as protections against non-vaxx'd easily spreading the virus about. We the vaccinated are the actual one's losing freedom to protect the voluntarily unvaxx'd class of society that seems too self-center even care other than complaining about being helped by others.

 

they are welcome to opt out from being treated by someone they don't trust or go home and take chances with the issue on their own.

Agreed ... but think about this for a moment: Are medical workers required to wash their hands before interacting with patients? ... what if some of them argue that the soap being used contains antibiotics that they say will affect their well being in unknown ways, and that washing their hands should be a personal choice and not a mandate to be enforced upon them? ... that would be silly, wouldn't it?