@shortbus - actuallly plague is airborne. The concept that it is flea spread only, is an historically promoted untruth. Modern testing has shown that it is in fact airborne.

https://www.discovermagazine.com/he...s-rats-as-bearers-of-black-death#.UzyDEYVgzj4

Actually the article says what I said, I subscribe to Discovery and have for many years. Quote from the article:
"Brooks identified a mutation that changed the bubonic plague, spread by rats, into the pneumonic plague variety, which settled in the lungs and was spread by coughing. This variant spread faster and killed within 24 hours," And in my post I said bubonic.

 

everything is a risk from the moment one is conceived to at least the moment one is dead.
life is full of risks. some are acceptable, some are not.

fear is a healthy thing. it is what keeps all species alive.

So what your saying is that it is alright for ~30 - 40% of the US population to hold the rest of us hostage?

And you double speak when you say "fear is a healthy thing", and yet you (I think) and LowQ state that the other side of this debate use fear to control the population. There has to be some word that is a description for that but I don't know it, something like the 'strawman" or other word for an argument.

 

something like the 'strawman" or other word for an argument.

Strawman fallacy sounds right.

From wiki:
"A straw man (sometimes written as strawman) is a form of argument and an informal fallacy of having the impression of refuting an argument, whereas the real subject of the argument was not addressed or refuted, but instead replaced with a false one"

It is veeeery common by politicians.

When "panic mode" said that other things are more deadly, they changed the argument to something that they could defend rather than stick with the point being discussed.

One could counter by saying that although other things are more deadly, that is not what we are talking about.

 

fair enough, maybe i should have used self-preservation instead of fear.
last time i checked hostages never get to choose how far they can get from the "hostage takers". stepping aside or crossing the street is what i would expect from those that are so concerned about catching something while doing everything they want. meanwhile people who simply don't feel they got the honest information about the drugs are supposed to be burried, locked up, chained, forcibly injected with experimental drugs, stripped of right to step outside, breath fresh air, hold a job, travel or do anything they always did... because someone else is an oversensitive paranoid that don't want to give in an inch...

 

Did you NOT attend public school where vaccinations ARE required? It is because of vaccinations that we no longer are plagued with smallpox, polio, measles, etc. And those are diseases that did not fill hospitals and emergency rooms to the point that the normal day to day health needs of the public were not able to be met because of it.

 

Did you NOT attend public school where vaccinations ARE required? It is because of vaccinations that we no longer are plagued with smallpox, polio, measles, etc. And those are diseases that did not fill hospitals and emergency rooms to the point that the normal day to day health needs of the public were not able to be met because of it.

 

Trypanophobia has come to mind but most children outgrow it. I know I did long ago and have zero qualms self-injecting my weekly dose of Enbrel...

 

last time i checked hostages never get to choose how far they can get from the "hostage takers"

Would I be right assuming that you have a cognitive bias against vaccines?

meanwhile people who simply don't feel they got the honest information about the drugs

Anti vaxes have a long history of begging the question and moving the goal posts when it gets answered.

Rather than scrambling to come up with a new reason not to get one every time a question gets answered, why not just admit that no new information will change your mind?

 

Meanwhile in my little corner of the world. Here in Ohio, US about 59% of those over 12 and eligible are vaccinated. The numbers are slowly crawling up. School board meetings are a train wreck of heated tempers with each side yelling hooray for my side on the mask mandates in schools. Really heated arguments to a point where meetings are ended abruptly. I am waiting for a law enforcement presence be mandated to keep people from physically going at each other. On average we are seeing about 5,000 to 6,000 new cases daily and while I forget the numbers hospitalized it seems to be fairly constant.

Nothing has really changed as to the for and against camps as to vaccination. Both sides are firmly dug in much like I see here.

Ron

 

i have bias against inconsiderate people touting themselves as progressive's who don't understand what is a compromise.
they are perfectly ok with subjecting others to brutal medical experiments, ostracizing and leaving them unable to fend for themselves just because they themselves don't want to side step or cross the street even though they are concerned that person walking several feet away.

 

Mask mandates are fighting the last war, a waste of effort for little gain. The current battle with vaccination is just a matter of time. Eventually the no-vaxxers will be vaccinated with the 'live' virus version, patented by nature, given away free and field tested on hundreds of millions.

 

"...field tested on hundreds of millions."

Sounds like a "...brutal medical experiment..." to me.

Less brutal would be to get the vaccine which has been tested correctly and thoroughly by adding a blind control group and with medical staff monitoring the test subjects closely. The results have even been published and peer reviewed.

 

my cognition about civid, the vaccine, masking, distancing, excessive sanitizing with alcohol based solutions is not impaired. covid has potential to harm and kill but the risk is very low. survivability is some 98%. many people go through it without even knowing they had it. it is a disease created in lab with military appliaction in mind, released on purpose, funded and sponsored by same people and institutions that are in charge of "managing" recovery efforts. the very person that is in charge of it and the mouthpiece of the of vaccination propaganda was wrong and lying so many times. he should be in investigated and prosecuted.
the best way to improve immunity is exposure to something that wont kill you and it's been just that for very very long time, since the first cell organisms. covid vaccine is a welcome tool to fight desease. but the way it is used (forced on unwilling) is unacceptable. now that we have tools (not just vaccine) to offset the ballance, we should use them wisely by treating those that are infected or at risk, not the healthy.
there is nothing wrong with my cognition that all this mandate is BS, it is all just for show. but it is disturbing how far the show shall go just to calm down those that gobbled up media disinformation. they will happily sacrifice others and subject them to terror just so they can squeeze their safety blanket. and when things don't turn out the way they were told, they will galantly forget that they were the voice behind the attrocities and brutal experiments.

 

"...field tested on hundreds of millions."

Sounds like a "...brutal medical experiment..." to me.

Less brutal would be to get the vaccine which has been tested correctly and thoroughly by adding a blind control group and with medical staff monitoring the test subjects closely. The results have even been published and peer reviewed.

Nature is a harsh mistress that only cares about numbers. Select the risks of natural brutality in nature infecting hosts or the risks of man's inept creations designed to reduce that brutality a notch by taking a calculated risk. Choose Wisely.

 

There is a lot of misinformation in this thread about the Covid virus. Over 708 thousand unvaccinated people in the US have been killed by it and many more every day. We struggle to keep unvaccinated people away from our children until they are able to be vaccinated.
The number is corrected.

 

https://apnews.com/article/coronavi...ation-health-433991ea434e12ccfdf97b5db415310d

When patients tell Dr. Vincent Shaw that they don’t want the COVID-19 vaccine because they don’t know what’s going into their bodies, he pulls up the ingredient list for a Twinkie.

“Look at the back of the package,” Shaw, a family physician in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. “Tell me you can pronounce everything on the back of that package. Because I have a chemistry degree, I still don’t know what that is.”

He also commonly hears patients tell him they haven’t done enough research about the vaccines. Rest assured, he tells them, the vaccine developers have done their homework.

Then there are the fringe explanations: “They’re putting a tracker in and it makes me magnetic.”

Another explanation left him speechless: “The patient couldn’t understand why they were given this for free, because humanity in and of itself is not nice and people aren’t nice and nobody would give anything away. So there’s no such thing as inherent good nature of man. And I had no comeback from that.”

 

"" it is a disease created in lab with military appliaction in mind, released on purpose, funded and sponsored by same people and institutions that are in charge of "managing" recovery efforts. ""
Mmmm,
That would make it a PATENTED-BIO-WEAPON, which it, in fact, is.
But the important point is that the "Vaccine",
(which is not actually a "Vaccine"),
is also a Patented "Bio-Weapon".

Most of the Patents are still publicly available for You to read.

What ??
Do you mean that the "Georgia-Guide-Stones" are serious when
they specifically state that they intend to reduce the Worlds
population down to 500-million ???
Yepp.
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Maybe some of you will be among the lucky ones .......
The US-Military supposedly managed to replace around
30% of the "Vaccines" with Saline-Solution.
So if You live in one of the areas that received those
fake "Vaccine" shipments, then your safe.

As for the rest of the folks Vaccinated with the "real" "Vaccines",
there are already remedies and procedures setup for your recovery.
That is, unless You have a Heart-Attack or Stroke first,
caused by Blood-Clots created by the "Vaccine".
.
.
.

 

it is a disease created in lab with military appliaction in mind, released on purpose, funded and sponsored by same people and institutions that are in charge of "managing" recovery efforts. the very person that is in charge of it and the mouthpiece of the of vaccination propaganda was wrong and lying so many times. he should be in investigated and prosecuted.

Here we go again. You make the claim covid was developed in a lab, show some real proof of that. Not something from Facebook or one of the right wing "news" channels, but real proof.

But it seems like you and LowQ might be on to something though. It seems like in at least some cases the vaccine is deadly - https://news.yahoo.com/maryland-man-accused-fatally-shooting-025401961.html

 

There is a lot of misinformation in this thread about the Covid virus. Over 700 million unvaccinated people in the US have been killed by it and many more every day. We struggle to keep unvaccinated people away from our children until they are able to be vaccinated.

Yepp,
A LOT of misinformation !!!!
I'm having trouble here ...... You were joking right ???
.
.
.

 

"" it is a disease created in lab with military appliaction in mind, released on purpose, funded and sponsored by same people and institutions that are in charge of "managing" recovery efforts. ""
Mmmm,
That would make it a PATENTED-BIO-WEAPON, which it, in fact, is.
But the important point is that the "Vaccine",
(which is not actually a "Vaccine"),
is also a Patented "Bio-Weapon".

Most of the Patents are still publicly available for You to read.

What ??
Do you mean that the "Georgia-Guide-Stones" are serious when
they specifically state that they intend to reduce the Worlds
population down to 500-million ???
Yepp.
---------------------------------------------------------------------

Maybe some of you will be among the lucky ones .......
The US-Military supposedly managed to replace around
30% of the "Vaccines" with Saline-Solution.
So if You live in one of the areas that received those
fake "Vaccine" shipments, then your safe.

As for the rest of the folks Vaccinated with the "real" "Vaccines",
there are already remedies and procedures setup for your recovery.
That is, unless You have a Heart-Attack or Stroke first,
caused by Blood-Clots created by the "Vaccine".

If you think posting in bold will help to make your "heads will explode" theory happen you are wrong.

If you know your so called claim of "patents" for covid is true, why not give the link? There are many patent sites that are available for you to "find" them.