Yes, "Anti-Vaxers" are destructive to others that listen to them. I think most of the "Anti-Vaxers" have actually been vaccinated in secret because it's hard to believe they could be that plain stupid. The actual stupid ones are getting fewer by the day.

https://nypost.com/article/famous-anti-vaxxers-who-suffered-from-covid/

 

Yes, "Anti-Vaxers" are destructive to others that listen to them. I think most of the "Anti-Vaxers" have actually been vaccinated in secret because it's hard to believe they could be that plain stupid.

Yes! The only evidence that is presented that this is true is “FROM WHAT I CAN TELL”.

[sarc] The best evidence of solid provenance that I’ve ever seen [/sarc]

 

Seems like some one didn't learn much by having been banned. This coming from the person who claims they can cure alcoholics just by talking to them, just reading your arguments makes me want a drink.

 

hmmm.. someone with NSA handle, wants me to trust web post by someone working for Big Brand Institute and CNN.
i guess that sounds legit...

I'm just a random collection of digital information on the web. It's your life that's at risk in who and what you trust.

You must choose, but choose wisely.

 

Seems like some one didn't learn much by having been banned. This coming from the person who claims they can cure alcoholics just by talking to them, just reading your arguments makes me want a drink.

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But no one has addressed anything that I stated.
Your statements above are nothing more than a
derogatory opinion aimed at the messenger.

What's that got to do with any valuable information ?
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But no one has addressed anything that I stated.
Your statements above are nothing more than a
derogatory opinion aimed at the messenger.

What's that got to do with any valuable information ?
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The reason people are not addressing what you have stated is:

 

The number of vaccine-hesitant people is currently decreasing by 1725 per day.
The number of vaccinated people is holding steady or growing.

 

The Emergency Use Authorization came first so we could start giving shots to people and saving lives during the long and exacting formal FDA approval process.

i know the term. that is not what i asked....

EUA was issued for a very specific reason, no vaccine was FDA approved at that time.
But if the Pfizer vaccine is now approved... why would its use still be bound by EUA?

 

i know the term. that is not what i asked....

EUA was issued for a very specific reason, no vaccine was FDA approved at that time.
But if the Pfizer vaccine is now approved... why would its use still be bound by EUA?

It's not. The vaccine allowed by the EUA is the same vaccine as approved by the FDA - regardless of what the label says, bottles with (either label) contain the same material and are to be considered FDA approved. Read the post made by @nsaspook a few posts back. But if you want to continue entertaining us by feigning ignorance, please, keep dancing.

 

Nobody knows the long-term effects of Covid-19 infections.

 

I got two shots of Pfizer, and still have to wear mask, practice distancing, cannot travel freely... my wife and son had the same, but both were really wasted for many days after each shot. Not looking forward to more of it...

Wife and I both got the same Pfizer and neither of us had any side effects at all, not even soreness at the injection site. We are both in our 70s. Daughter got the Johnson & Johnson (one and done) and she experienced minor cold like symptoms the next day and that was about it. As to a mask, social distancing and travel freely we have no problem with any of that in the NE Ohio Cleveland suburbs. Where can people not travel freely?

Ron

 

i know the term. that is not what i asked....

EUA was issued for a very specific reason, no vaccine was FDA approved at that time.
But if the Pfizer vaccine is now approved... why would its use still be bound by EUA?

It's not still bound by that part of the EUA after FDA approval for specific uses. I never said it was. Some uses of the vaccine are still under EUA like 3rd doses for the immune compromised.

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine

Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved the first COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine has been known as the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, and will now be marketed as Comirnaty (koe-mir’-na-tee), for the prevention of COVID-19 disease in individuals 16 years of age and older. The vaccine also continues to be available under emergency use authorization (EUA), including for individuals 12 through 15 years of age and for the administration of a third dose in certain immunocompromised individuals.

All I said and it's proven by past history, is that the vaccine OK'd for use under the EUA is the same vaccine the FDA approved. There is no new vaccine called Comirnaty. Comirnaty is just a weird brand-name for what's been in use already.

 

Wife and I both got the same Pfizer and neither of us had any side effects at all, not even soreness at the injection site. We are both in our 70s. Daughter got the Johnson & Johnson (one and done) and she experienced minor cold like symptoms the next day and that was about it. As to a mask, social distancing and travel freely we have no problem with any of that in the NE Ohio Cleveland suburbs. Where can people not travel freely?

Ron

Thank goodness we are not Australia.

https://www.news.com.au/national/ns...y/news-story/0e387ceccee145a611ddb6e38872d3d5

NSW Health limits residents of locked-down tower block to six beers per day

Residents in a Sydney tower block under a strict coronavirus lockdown are having their alcohol deliveries policed.

Residents are allowed to receive a ration of one of the following: six beers or pre-mixed drinks, one bottle of wine, or one 375ml bottle of spirits.

Excess alcohol is being confiscated until lockdown rules are lifted.

 

Thank goodness we are not Australia.

https://www.news.com.au/national/ns...y/news-story/0e387ceccee145a611ddb6e38872d3d5

NSW Health limits residents of locked-down tower block to six beers per day

Six is ok in Australia - assuming I can get the 25oz Foster's there.

 

Six is ok in Australia - assuming I can get the 25oz Foster's there.

Swan Lager was my beer of choice. Never touched a Foster's there.

 

Swan Lager was my beer of choice. Never touched a Foster's there.

I just remember the huge cans from Fosters back in the late 1970s. If I'm going to be limited to six beers, they better be big cans.

 

That's prolly 6 per house, not person... Somebody's gotta move out!

 

Six is ok in Australia - assuming I can get the 25oz Foster's there.

No one drinks Foster's here.


[edit] This following part is not related to anything that Mr. Salts said. There seems to be confusion in posts later on.

This was more directed at what LowQCab said
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With the car yard analogy presented earlier, this is a false equivalency fallacy.

It would be more like a Holden SS (Australian car) being sold in the USA as a Chevrolet SS - The exact same car with a different badge.

NSA has been very diligent at providing sources for his information, but it has been one sided... A statement provided with no proof can be dismissed with no proof.

I also see a lot of arguments from ignorance - You can't say "We can't prove that x is not y, so x must be y" - This is a very typical argument from someone who believes a lot of conspiracy theories. Do you believe in lots of conspiracy theories?

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/07/briefing/risk-breakthrough-infections-delta.html

I know that many Americans feel differently. Our level of Covid anxiety is higher, especially in communities that lean to the left politically. And there is no “correct” response to Covid. Different people respond to risk differently.

But at least one part of the American anxiety does seem to have become disconnected from the facts in recent weeks: the effectiveness of the vaccines. In a new ABC News/Washington Post poll, nearly half of adults judged their “risk of getting sick from the coronavirus” as either moderate or high — even though 75 percent of adults have received at least one shot.

In reality, the risks of getting any version of the virus remain small for the vaccinated, and the risks of getting badly sick remain minuscule.

In Seattle on an average recent day, about one out of every one million vaccinated residents have been admitted to a hospital with Covid symptoms. That risk is so close to zero that the human mind can’t easily process it. My best attempt is to say that the Covid risks for most vaccinated people are of the same order of magnitude as risks that people unthinkingly accept every day, like riding in a vehicle.

 

The last few arguments floated from the anti-vaxx nether regions have been so shockingly and obviously wrong it's like they were invented to be dismissive punch-bags.

Maybe there is a conspiracy of government officials injecting these ideas to make the anti-vaxx side look foolish.