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shortbus

Joined Sep 30, 2009
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Give this man a lollipop.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4807898/
New developments in the treatment of rosacea – role of once-daily ivermectin cream
That report is the use of a topical Ivermectin cream at a 1% strength of Ivermectin. It doesn't mention the use of it as a ingested form, like what the Rogan's and others in the Nostradumbass group are suggesting.

And no that wasn't a miss spelling
 

MrSalts

Joined Apr 2, 2020
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There is no covid vaccine.... Vaccine is made my isolating and killing or weakening of real virus.
You mean like the Johnson&Johnson Covid Vaccine?

Also none of them are approved and there is no available legal recourse against remedy manufacturers when things do go wrong.
You missed the news about the Pfizer vaccine approval.

Nobody is questioning science behind vaccine but creating something different and simply calling it vaccine does not ensure its performance.
Nobody is questioning the science? I think you are missing some news stories about vaccine hesitancy, low vaccination rates, and the interviews with thousands of people with these opinions. Most interesting is all the people who suddenly don't want to question the successful science when they are gasping their last breaths in the ICU. They want the vaccine like all the healthy doctors treating them.


I got two shots of Pfizer, and still have to wear mask, practice distancing, cannot travel freely... my wife and son had the same, but both were really wasted for many days after each shot. Not looking forward to more of it...
Dieting, teeth cleaning, exercise are all uncomfortable, too. But, like the vaccine, they improve your health so the investment in discomfort is well worth it. Or don't you get your teeth cleaned? No exercise?
 

MrSalts

Joined Apr 2, 2020
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That report is the use of a topical Ivermectin cream at a 1% strength of Ivermectin. It doesn't mention the use of it as a ingested form, like what the Rogan's and others in the Nostradumbass group are suggesting.

And no that wasn't a miss spelling
Agree, I just wanted to make sure people didn't say, "see, there are other uses of ivermectin besides anti parasite." The 1% cream for Rosecia is for parasites on your nose.
 

shortbus

Joined Sep 30, 2009
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Vaccine is made my isolating and killing or weakening of real virus. And that would give you lasing resistance.
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Also none of them are approved and there is no available legal recourse against remedy manufacturers when things do go wrong.
So your saying the yearly flu shots should only need to be given one and only one time,because they are made from killed viruses that cause the flu?

Add to that distorted media coverage, political agendas, calls for forced administration of something not proven, need for frequent boosters, possibly perpetual boosters, absence of clinical tests etc. Not exactly confidence building....
Do you agree then to the use of Ivermectin and the other things people are taking? Things that got no trials of any type, just anecdotal reports of being effective?
 

DickCappels

Joined Aug 21, 2008
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You mean like the Johnson&Johnson Covid Vaccine?


You missed the news about the Pfizer vaccine approval.
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The "vaccine" that received approval a week or so ago was very similar to the Pfizer vaccine being used in the U.S. but it is not the same drug (according to registration and manufacturer) and is not available in the U.S. There are currently no FDA approved "vaccines" for Covid-19 available in the United States.

In the "Just so you know" department:
By the way, a DIY Covid-19 home treatment kit in India at $3 each:
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The link below is not intended to be promotional, only to provide more information:
https://www.indiamart.com/proddetai...vermectin-dispersible-tablet-12373324255.html
 

panic mode

Joined Oct 10, 2011
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i agree that disinformation and censorship by media and bigtech is making access to real information all but difficult. i agree with taking anything that works. i don't know if and to what degree different things are effective. i do not claim to posses any significant medical knowledge but i know who does. and i see that medical personal was fired en-masse for refusing to take shots. so i think that there must be MANY more who took it only to keep the job and avoid foreclosure or ability to support their families. such coercion, coupled with above mentioned assault on freedom of information, with current administration hell-bent of destroying America, makes me regret taking the shot. i wish to be adult about it and see the unbiased and uncensored reports from EVERYONE accredited. pro and contra... side by side comparison of all things claimed to have any success. but i don't see that and i don't like to be a part of possible eugenics project by elites that shamelessly and openly lie about everything and force one to do things.

if paper mask was effective, good, lets stick to it. but there is no evidence that they help at all, in fact they may make things worse as most people do not bother using new one every time. they use same one that happens to be in their pocket or glove box just for show.

if vaccine was effective, great, but then infection rates between vaccinated and non-vaccinated should be very different, yet difference is statistically insignificant. and it is using technology that is not the same as every other vaccine i took so far.

quarantine can work but social distancing also does not. or all those rioters in Portland, or Obama partygoers would succumb to covid long ago.

so just judging by (whitewashed) evidence what works and what does not, it seem to me that nothing works, at least not nearly as well as media is trying to make it sound.... at the same time i see no evidence of any vaccine being approved ,there is nothing you can do to sue someone if and when things go wrong and frankly i am not impressed.

do ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine work? i don't know. but i would like to see those that do know to post some objective results. but all i can see is push to crucify anyone who mention any alternative, rather than offering study and post results. this is not science. this is how Gestapo operated...
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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if paper mask was effective, good, lets stick to it. but there is no evidence that they help at all, in fact they may make things worse as most people do not bother using new one every time. they use same one that happens to be in their pocket or glove box just for show.

if vaccine was effective, great, but then infection rates between vaccinated and non-vaccinated should be very different, yet difference is statistically insignificant. and it is using technology that is not the same as every other vaccine i took so far.

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I agree with you about non-N95 masks because the scientific information says it's so as the virus gets more contagious but not more severe but you are absolutely wrong about infection rates between vaccinated and non-vaccinated and Not Even Wrong about the prevention of sickness and death between vaccinated and non-vaccinated. As usually your reasoning is affected by the bogus base-rate fallacy comparison in the case percentage numbers the media (all kinds left to right to crazy) loves to use as a blood in the streets headline to sell soap. The vaccine is beyond great, it's a medical wonder of the highest scientific order in the number of people that have been saved from sickness and death because of it.

This information is clearly out there from several sources, all it takes is a small amount of actual analysts of the data to see the truth of the matter.
 

panic mode

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except you cannot get that one if your life depended on it. it is vaporware, unobtanium...
they did not approve shot that you can get. the approved one will likely never hit the shelves since manufacturer would become liable for any side effects. so they will always present that article and claim that they have approved vaccine but will never use it. they will continue to distribute one that has emergency use only since no liability is attached.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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There is no covid vaccine.... Vaccine is made my isolating and killing or weakening of real virus. And that would give you lasing resistance. But the current remedies are none of that, yet they got still named "vaccine". They are built on different principles.
Also none of them are approved and there is no available legal recourse against remedy manufacturers when things do go wrong.


Nobody is questioning science behind vaccine but creating something different and simply calling it vaccine does not ensure its performance.

It is a treatment alright, but not what it claims to be.

Add to that distorted media coverage, political agendas, calls for forced administration of something not proven, need for frequent boosters, possibly perpetual boosters, absence of clinical tests etc. Not exactly confidence building....

I got two shots of Pfizer, and still have to wear mask, practice distancing, cannot travel freely... my wife and son had the same, but both were really wasted for many days after each shot. Not looking forward to more of it...
Let's mark you down as undecided.

Pfizer has full FDA approval.
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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except you cannot get that one if your life depended on it. it is vaporware, unobtanium...
they did not approve shot that you can get. the approved one will likely never hit the shelves since manufacturer would become liable for any side effects. so they will always present that article and claim that they have approved vaccine but will never use it. they will continue to distribute one that has emergency use only since no liability is attached.
More misinformation. Not one lick of truth in the entire post. That is an amazing level of self delusion if a person actually believes that.
 

panic mode

Joined Oct 10, 2011
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The vaccine is beyond great, it's a medical wonder of the highest scientific order in the number of people that have been saved from sickness and death because of it.
i hope so but time will tell.... so far numbers do not look good. they show little to no benefit. if the vaccine is so good, why vaccinated get infected? why they still need to wear mask? why they still cannot travel freely? why one still must quarantine and get tested if traveling? why covid tests used in hospitals and ones used fortravel are different?

it sure sound like products of this highest scientific order are not exactly working....
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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i hope so but time will tell.... so far numbers do not look good. they show little to no benefit. if the vaccine is so good, why vaccinated get infected? why they still need to wear mask? why they still cannot travel freely?
The vaccine numbers are still great.

Why they still need to wear mask? why they still cannot travel freely?

Because we need to reduce the level of transmission from the unvaccinated herd, the people who are NOT vaccinated are the main cause of restrictions today.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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The "vaccine" that received approval a week or so ago was very similar to the Pfizer vaccine being used in the U.S. but it is not the same drug (according to registration and manufacturer) and is not available in the U.S. There are currently no FDA approved "vaccines" for Covid-19 available in the United States.

In the "Just so you know" department:
By the way, a DIY Covid-19 home treatment kit in India at $3 each:
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The link below is not intended to be promotional, only to provide more information:
https://www.indiamart.com/proddetai...vermectin-dispersible-tablet-12373324255.html
https://www.reuters.com/article/fac...t-pfizer-biontechs-fda-approval-idUSL1N2PY0OL
The FDA state that Comirnaty has the same formulation as the EUA-approved (Emergency Use Authorization) Pfizer vaccine and is interchangeable (here). Their website says: “Providers can use doses distributed under EUA to administer the vaccination series as if the doses were the licensed vaccine. For purposes of administration, doses distributed under the EUA are interchangeable with the licensed dose.” (here).

The FDA letter approving the vaccine can be read (here) alongside the updated FDA vaccine information sheet (here).


It is therefore misleading to state that the media lied about the Pfizer vaccine’s status. The vaccine is FDA approved, will be marketed under a new name and – crucially- is interchangeable with the EUA-marketed vaccine.

This conclusion is reinforced by Emily Smith, assistant professor at the Milken Institute School of Public Health at George Washington University (here).

She told Reuters in an email that Comirnaty is identical to the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.


“With full FDA approval, the company can officially give the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine a brand name, and that name is Comirnaty. So, people getting the vaccine can feel confident that it is both safe and effective”, Smith wrote.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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But now you've eliminated so many fun-to-discuss conspiracy theories. Now what can I talk to random people on the internet? Oh yeah, the microchips that Bill Gates put in the vaccines. No wonder there's a shortage.
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Bigfoot and UFOs are still available for discussion.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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If people could do simple math and not overdose on the home remedies for COVID-19 most people wouldn't care about it being tried as a treatment.

Mr. Ed is upset about the lack of dewormer on the shelves. :eek:
 

SamR

Joined Mar 19, 2019
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My take on masks is this. Almost no person wears the correct mask OR follows the correct medical protocol for using masks. But! Any mask is better than no mask at all. Doctors do not wear masks in sterile environments such as the surgical theater to protect themselves but to prevent contaminating the sterile environment. Masks serve dual purposes, to prevent an infected person from spreading it by aerosol ejection AND to act as a prophylactic for uninfected persons. Better to mask and suffer some discomfort than to infect other or become infected and suffer worse consequences than mask discomfort. IE Wear a mask please!
 
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